Leafs fans have no problem creating threads on the main boards almost daily, but then there's a problem having part II of a popular thread that already hit 1000 posts?
Kind of sounds a lot like Burke actually. Coincidence?
Leafs fans have no problem creating threads on the main boards almost daily, but then there's a problem having part II of a popular thread that already hit 1000 posts?
Kind of sounds a lot like Burke actually. Coincidence?
If we're being honest, I think I'm more intrigued with Leaf fans here than the actual team. On the one hand I commend the seamingly endless sense of blind loyalty and apathy towards the hometown team, but I'm equally baffled by it. It's as if Brian Burke has has nudie photos of Leaf fans, and he's threatened to release them if they're critical of him here oh HF.
Leafs fans have no problem creating threads on the main boards almost daily, but then there's a problem having part II of a popular thread that already hit 1000 posts?
Kind of sounds a lot like Burke actually. Coincidence?
Funny thing is a lot of Leaf threads are created by non-Leaf fans, even ones that praise the team.
For example, earlier in the year, a Sabres fan created a "Toronto is the real deal" thread that garnered a lot of attention and drama and was eventually shut down.
If we're being honest, I think I'm more intrigued with Leaf fans here than the actual team. On the one hand I commend the seamingly endless sense of blind loyalty and apathy towards the hometown team, but I'm equally baffled by it. It's as if Brian Burke has has nudie photos of Leaf fans, and he's threatened to release them if they're critical of him here oh HF.
My loyalty is neither blind, nor drug induced. I am not a sheep. I have an opinion and it's actually quite insulting of you to question that, and call it blind, or KoolAid induced or whatever other analogies Leaf haters choose to reference.
I get it, Burke and the Leafs are an easy target right now. But my Loyalty is as blind as your hate.
If we're being honest, I think I'm more intrigued with Leaf fans here than the actual team. On the one hand I commend the seamingly endless sense of blind loyalty and apathy towards the hometown team, but I'm equally baffled by it. It's as if Brian Burke has has nudie photos of Leaf fans, and he's threatened to release them if they're critical of him here oh HF.
Furthermore, it's common knowledge on these boards that if I, or any other Leaf fan were to talk about Bruin fans the way you and others talk about Leaf fans, we'd be peppered with infractions and quickly thread or forumn banned.
And you attempt to psychoanalyze Leaf fans is a waste of your time. It's like trying to psychoanalyze Dr Lector.
My point is, a team starting a rebuild in 2008, on the downswing without a single decent asset/veteran to sell, you should not have expected them to be considerably better than they are today, no matter what Bourke said.
Without a single decent asset? Burke had Kubina who he traded for crap and Kaberle who he eventually traded for a first-rounder and a solid prospect (obviously the NTC prevented him from being moved early).
He had Stajan (55 points), Hagman (20+ goals), and White who he traded for his captain.
In 08/09, Antropov had 46 points in 63 games, Ponikarovsky 61, Blake 63, Grabovski 48, and Moore 41 in 63 games. All of these players were decent moveable assets near their peak, and all but one was eventually moved.
He also had a chance at a very high first-round pick, but ********d that up by getting Martin Gerber.
He obviously didn't have much, but let's not pretend that he started with nothing.
If we're being honest, I think I'm more intrigued with Leaf fans here than the actual team. On the one hand I commend the seamingly endless sense of blind loyalty and apathy towards the hometown team, but I'm equally baffled by it. It's as if Brian Burke has has nudie photos of Leaf fans, and he's threatened to release them if they're critical of him here oh HF.
Yeah, you're dealing with some of the crown jewel fanatics of the fanbase here. They've been completely wrong on literally everything to do with the franchise, no exaggeration, but it doesn't stop them from further embarrassing themselves with the "just you wait!" fallacies. I mean, even zeke has been smart enough to lay low over the past month. Some guys just have no shame in their religion beliefs to the Blue and Brian Burke.
Shift the goalposts? Or just set the parameters so that Toronto, and Burke is sure to lose.
Actually, they were never shifted:
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Originally Posted by Tyler Sanguine
During his tenure we've seen GM's with far less resources (worse hockey markets, Much lower internal Caps, consistently lower draft picks, etc) ice far better teams.
You just listed the bottom ten teams for a single year and ignored:
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Originally Posted by Tyler Sanguine
worse hockey markets, Much lower internal Caps, consistently lower draft picks
Although, what is meant by lower draft picks is confusing. So, at best you covered 1/3 points and then blamed someone for shifting the goal posts that you ignored in the first place.
Without a single decent asset? Burke had Kubina who he traded for crap and Kaberle who he eventually traded for a first-rounder and a solid prospect (obviously the NTC prevented him from being moved early).
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I apologize, they had Kaberle. The rest was fodder. Don't believe me? Go back and read what people were saying about Stajan, White, Hagman before the trade. Poni, Antro, Moore? 2nd round pick value so not much.
We were a 24th overall team that lost Sundin, Tucker, McCabe, Gill, and Raycroft.
I apologize, they had Kaberle. The rest was fodder. Don't believe me? Go back and read what people were saying about Stajan, White, Hagman before the trade. Poni, Antro, Moore? 2nd round pick value so not much.
We were a 24th overall team that lost Sundin, Tucker, McCabe, Gill, and Raycroft.
Leaf fans weren't high on Stajan or Hagman, but loved White. But that doesn't matter, they were all performing decently. And at least Calgary thought they were decent assets (obviously wrongly with regards to Stajan and Hagman).
I don't know how you can say Antropov, Ponikarovsky, and Moore weren't decent assets. At the time, they were all performing very well. And, guess what, second-round picks are decent assets in return! They're not first-round picks, but they're something.
Leaf fans weren't high on Stajan or Hagman, but loved White. But that doesn't matter, they were all performing decently. And at least Calgary thought they were decent assets (obviously wrongly with regards to Stajan and Hagman).
I don't know how you can say Antropov, Ponikarovsky, and Moore weren't decent assets. At the time, they were all performing very well. And, guess what, second-round picks are decent assets in return! They're not first-round picks, but they're something.
Well, we'll agree to disagree on the value of the players on our team in 2008-2009 then.
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TORONTO - A year ago, when he was still the general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs, Cliff Fletcher told a group of reporters that Nik Antropov was the team's only legitimate top-six forward.
It was a bleak, yet honest, assessment of the team's offence. Antropov, who was traded to the New York Rangers at the March deadline, recorded career highs with 28 goals and 59 points in 2008-09. They are hardly the statistics of a team-carrying, goal-scoring stud. So what did that say about the rest of the roster?
You just listed the bottom ten teams for a single year and ignored:
Although, what is meant by lower draft picks is confusing. So, at best you covered 1/3 points and then blamed someone for shifting the goal posts that you ignored in the first place.
I gave 2 options. The other was setting the parameters so that Burke could not win.
Why would it be wrong to compare the progress of teams who were in the bottom 10 with the Leafs in 2008?
Yeah, you're dealing with some of the crown jewel fanatics of the fanbase here. They've been completely wrong on literally everything to do with the franchise, no exaggeration, but it doesn't stop them from further embarrassing themselves with the "just you wait!" fallacies. I mean, even zeke has been smart enough to lay low over the past month. Some guys just have no shame in their religion beliefs to the Blue and Brian Burke.
Hahaha hallarious post. Some fans are certainly an anomaly. There's a lot of sensible Leaf fans also they just dont bother to argue because they probably agree with the criticism.
