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View Poll Results: DL next season
He will be fired / I don't want him back 33 30.56%
He will be back next season / I want him Back 27 25.00%
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He will be back / I do NOT want him back 40 37.04%
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02-11-2012, 11:49 AM
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Tell me this....which other team has a future like this?

Dustin Brown - 26 years old
Anze Kopitar - 24 years old
Mike Richards - 26 years old
Justin Williams - 29 years old
Kyle Clifford - 20 years old
Trevor Lewis - 24 years old
Andrei Lotkionov - 21 years old
Brad Richardson - 26 years old
Drew Doughty - 21 years old
Jack Johnson - 24 years old
Viaschlev Voynov - 21 years old
Alec Martinez - 24 years old
Matt Greene - 28 years old
Jonathan Quick - 25 years old
Jonathan Bernier - 23 years old

All of them are on the major league roster, (exception of Voynov being temporarily sent down) all of them have a long window, and Lotkionov, Voynov, Martinez, Lewis, Kopitar, Bernier, all have room to develop better..

This isn't taking into account what you have in the minors/juniors/etc.

Average? Take a look around the NHL again bud....
The question isn't whether they are young enough - the question is whether any of them have enough potential to grow into the impact players that a team needs to take the next step. Out of the 6 that I discussed earlier, Quick has done it, but the rest of them are about as good as they are likely to get. Williams and Greene are OK, but nothing exceptional. Lewis and Richardson are marginal at best. Bernier has trade potential to bring in one missing piece...

Who does that leave? Do you see Clifford, Loktionov, Voynov, or Martinez turning into that difference-maker? Anyone in Manchester likely to step up and turn the NHL on its ear?



tomd's assessment might even be optimistic

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02-11-2012, 11:58 AM
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The question isn't whether they are young enough - the question is whether any of them have enough potential to grow into the impact players that a team needs to take the next step. Out of the 6 that I discussed earlier, Quick has done it, but the rest of them are about as good as they are likely to get. Williams and Greene are OK, but nothing exceptional. Lewis and Richardson are marginal at best. Bernier has trade potential to bring in one missing piece...

Who does that leave? Do you see Clifford, Loktionov, Voynov, or Martinez turning into that difference-maker? Anyone in Manchester likely to step up and turn the NHL on its ear?



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Definitely was saying all those were going to be game changers, all of them do have their roles to play,

I can see Clifford develop into a nice power forward, I can see Voynov turning into a game changing dman, and Lotkionov can turn into a very nice play making center.

Kopitar is already a game changer, and Doughty has to mature to be one...

Everyone else plays their roles well,

Yea, the future isn't as bleak as say....the Isles, or SJ's, or ANA's, or DAL etc...

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02-11-2012, 12:02 PM
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Obviously the offense needs a revamp. Fox thinks the D needs to be activated more and I tend to agree. We don't get too many out-numbered attacks.

Gagne going down hurt alot this year. Didn't really think he'd be his old self but the lines were thrown out of wack by his loss.

IF a deal for a guy like Nash could be made I'd do it. Kings need a change. IF not, than sell at the deadline if we are out or looking like a one-and-done....

Get something for Penner before he walks, he doesn't add much here anyway.

Don't know if Mitchell will stay here but he probably can net a 2cd/prospect from a contender.

Stoll's time is done here.

Unless moved for a huge upgrade, keep Bernier.

Hunter has no value.

Lewis and Richardson can come or go, like Richie and he may have a little value.

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02-11-2012, 12:17 PM
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Definitely was saying all those were going to be game changers, all of them do have their roles to play,

I can see Clifford develop into a nice power forward, I can see Voynov turning into a game changing dman, and Lotkionov can turn into a very nice play making center.

Kopitar is already a game changer, and Doughty has to mature to be one...

Everyone else plays their roles well,

Yea, the future isn't as bleak as say....the Isles, or SJ's, or ANA's, or DAL etc...
...but it isn't exactly bright either, is it? With the 6 core players in place and playing close to, if not at their potential, the Kings have the worst offense in the NHL with (using your evaluations) primarily role players developing for near term contributions.

It sure doesn't sound like a team preparing to compete for a Cup anytime soon.

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02-11-2012, 12:22 PM
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...but it isn't exactly bright either, is it? With the 6 core players in place and playing close to, if not at their potential, the Kings have the worst offense in the NHL with (using your evaluations) primarily role players developing for near term contributions.

It sure doesn't sound like a team preparing to compete for a Cup anytime soon.
I don't see Lotkionov as a role player in the future, but meh,

Again, if guys like Penner, Williams, Doughty, Johnson were playing up their career averages, then the offense wouldn't be last, so no, not too worried about a lull in the offense, especially with the defense and goaltending playing so well,

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02-11-2012, 01:51 PM
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A lull in the offense? 29th in 5-on-5 goals over 3+ years is not a lull. ffs.

Currently 30th in offense after 55 games is not a lull.

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02-11-2012, 02:02 PM
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A lull in the offense? 29th in 5-on-5 goals over 3+ years is not a lull. ffs.

Currently 30th in offense after 55 games is not a lull.
Like I said, I'm not worried, I've seen how playoff hockey is played, and it's not won 6-4....

I am ok with where the Kings are and where they are headed.

I understand that if 3-4 players were playing to their career averages, the offense wouldn't be so bad...

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Like I said, I'm not worried, I've seen how playoff hockey is played, and it's not won 6-4....

I am ok with where the Kings are and where they are headed.

I understand that if 3-4 players were playing to their career averages, the offense wouldn't be so bad...
The Kings are not making the playoff's

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02-11-2012, 03:55 PM
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The Kings are not making the playoff's
And a team in the south would never win the cup, and Edmonton and Carolina would never play for the cup.....etc...etc...etc.

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And a team in the south would never win the cup, and Edmonton and Carolina would never play for the cup.....etc...etc...etc.
Only 2 teams in bottom 5 of NHL offensively in 23 years have made playoffs (1996 Blues & 1998 Senators). For the Kings to get out of the bottom 5 they'll have to score at a 2.93 G/G pace the rest of the way assuming CGY stays at their current pace.(Facewashes Reserch thank you).

That is a mountain to go over. The Kings would have to be lights out the rest of the way.

It better start in Dallas.

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02-11-2012, 04:39 PM
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Dean needs to pull the trigger on something right now, i mean like tonight. How long can he sit back and watch us **** the bed like this?

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And a team in the south would never win the cup, and Edmonton and Carolina would never play for the cup.....etc...etc...etc.
That's a ridiculous response to "the Kings are not making the playoffs".

You can't win if you don't score. LA losing to Florida and NYI is unacceptable.

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02-11-2012, 05:21 PM
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That's a ridiculous response to "the Kings are not making the playoffs".

You can't win if you don't score. LA losing to Florida and NYI is unacceptable.
So both of you can see the future?

That's my point.....

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At least we know who not to point the finger at for the Kings struggles. We can safely eliminate Terry Murray, Kevin Westgarth, Simon Gagne, Jarret Stoll and Dustin Penner. Somewhere, there is the slightest hint of a smile on Terry Murray's face. I'll admit to falsely blaming Terry Murray for the Kings offense, I was wrong. I've never seen a team struggle to score like this and not have some sort of guess as to what is wrong with the Kings.


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At least we know who not to point the finger out for the Kings struggles. We can safely eliminate Terry Murray, Kevin Westgarth, Simon Gagne, Jarret Stoll and Dustin Penner. Somewhere, there is the slightest hint of a smile on Terry Murray's face. I'll admit to falsely blaming Terry Murray for the Kings offense, I was wrong. I've never seen a team struggle to score like this and not have some sort of guess as to what is wrong with the Kings.
It still has a lot to do with Murray. Sutter even admitted he wasn't going to change the system.

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It still has a lot to do with Murray. Sutter even admitted he wasn't going to change the system.
Terry Murray coached EXACTLY how Dean Lombardi and Ron Hextall wanted him too.

Terry has nothing to do with this. The team was not dead last in scoring with Murray over his years. Granted they were not good, but they were not dead last.

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Only 2 teams in bottom 5 of NHL offensively in 23 years have made playoffs (1996 Blues & 1998 Senators). For the Kings to get out of the bottom 5 they'll have to score at a 2.93 G/G pace the rest of the way assuming CGY stays at their current pace.(Facewashes Reserch thank you).

That is a mountain to go over. The Kings would have to be lights out the rest of the way.

It better start in Dallas.
At least I got credit.

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I still don't understand why we selected Derek Forbort in the 1st round two years ago. Emerson Etem, anyone else would've been a better pick. We need OFFENSE

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I still don't understand why we selected Derek Forbort in the 1st round two years ago. Emerson Etem, anyone else would've been a better pick. We need OFFENSE


That guy is still in juniors, and his parent club has awful depth at his position. That says something about him.

The only Forward that might be ready after Forbort was picked is Austin Watson, or low and behold Tyler Toffoli. I am not saying it was a good pick. But come on Emerson Etem ? Jordan Weal's numbers makes Etem's look so average.

Jesus guys.

you want to complain about a draft ? Try 2006: Giroux, Marchand,Stewart,Berglund,Foligno, Lucic ALL picked after Trevor Lewis. Marchand and CLutterbuck picked two and three spots ahead of Zatkoff.

Round two pick LA Kings Joey Ryan(WHO the hell is that) Two spots later Milan Lucic


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That guy is still in juniors, and his parent club has awful depth at his position. That says something about him.

The only Forward that might be ready after Forbort was picked is Austin Watson, or low and behold Tyler Toffoli. I am not saying it was a good pick. But come on Emerson Etem ? Jordan Weal's numbers makes Etem's look so average.

Jesus guys.

you want to complain about a draft ? Try 2006: Giroux, Marchand,Stewart,Berglund,Foligno, Lucic ALL picked after Trevor Lewis. Marchand and CLutterbuck picked two and three spots ahead of Zatkoff.

Round two pick LA Kings Joey Ryan(WHO the hell is that) Two spots later Milan Lucic
lolwut? Weal has 2 more points than Etem, while Etem has 18 more goals

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lolwut? Weal has 2 more points than Etem, while Etem has 18 more goals
You're right.

Regardless Etem is not ready for the show. None of those 2010 picks are.

2006 should be the draft you bit%^ and moan about. 2006 has produced a nice compliment of forwards, the Kings didn't get any of them(and they could have).

Lucic has Dean Lombardi player written all over him. That is a Second round Dean special, how did he not pick that guy.


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You're right Regardless Etem is not ready for the show. None of those 2010 picks are.

2006 should be the draft you bit%^ and moan about.
As long as 28 other teams can ***** about Giroux and Lucic, hell mineaswell throw in Stahlberg and Perrault in there as well...

Being pissed about draft picks is asinine, it's 20.20 hindsight.

Does anyone really think differently?

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Round two pick LA Kings Joey Ryan(WHO the hell is that)
Yeah, good question. Here's what HockeyDB says: He's a defenseman, currently in the ECHL (28GP, 2&9 for 11; 30 PIM; -7).

Kinda depressing.

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As long as 28 other teams can ***** about Giroux and Lucic, hell mineaswell throw in Stahlberg and Perrault in there as well...

Being pissed about draft picks is asinine, it's 20.20 hindsight.

Does anyone really think differently?
People have every right to complain about draft picks(your team is made up of them entirely most of the time). Now a GM has a plan or certain things he looks for in players.

That's fine nothing wrong with that, let the man do his job. But that does not mean he is above being criticized for said pick. People can not agree with those (ESP season ticket holders).

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Yeah, good question. Here's what HockeyDB says: He's a defenseman, currently in the ECHL (28GP, 2&9 for 11; 30 PIM; -7).

Kinda depressing.
Pretty sure he is not even with the team anymore ?

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