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Pittsburgh's defensemen this offseason

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03-10-2012, 09:25 AM
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tell me why

We need cap space to sign Sid + Staal, later Geno + Letang, and even later Fleury. Despres is probably ready to take over.
Because Martin is nowhere near an albatross. There's no way there wouldn't be a market for him.

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03-10-2012, 09:28 AM
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Paul Martin is the Scott Gomez of defensemen (e5)

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Hey HF, what 25+ minute D-men are available in the foreseeable future? None? Soooo you're telling me in a market that forced Grabo's GM to pay him 1st line center money, that there might be a team willing to take on a big minute PMD who's overpaid by 500k-mil in your eyes?

Ridiculous.

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No GM will trade for Martin (5mil until 2015) unless Pens decide to receive an equally bad contract.
Kaberle?

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03-10-2012, 10:35 AM
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Because Martin is nowhere near an albatross. There's no way there wouldn't be a market for him.
That is why I said if no one trades for him. Someone will surely trade for him, but if he blocks every trade with his NMC, then we will amnesty him.

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03-10-2012, 10:37 AM
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That is why I said if no one trades for him. Someone will surely trade for him, but if he blocks every trade with his NMC, then we will amnesty him.
He doesn't have a full NTC, so Shero wouldn't even be negotiating with the teams on his list. Not sure if his list is 8, 10, or 12 teams long.

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03-10-2012, 11:02 AM
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That is why I said if no one trades for him. Someone will surely trade for him, but if he blocks every trade with his NMC, then we will amnesty him.
No, we won't. We'll keep him, because you don't amnesty a player like Martin. You move other, smaller pieces to accommodate him, ie TK/Niskanen.

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Tell us how you REALLY feel.
The Martin valuation on HF of late is the most absurd thing I've ever seen on this site. One sub-par half-season from a guy who's played top-pairing calibre hockey every year since the lockout is enough to make him amnesty-worthy? Never mind that this same standard apparently doesn't apply to forwards around the league, or that a player like Martin being a negative value contract ignores all precedent.

People are confusing potential expendability due to a deep blueline with trying to unload a player at all costs.

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03-10-2012, 11:17 AM
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Didn't Paul Martin take a paycut to come to Pittsburgh?

There will be a market for Paul Martin, people think he's the worst D man in the league, he's a top 4 PMD whose playing better hockey after the D pairings were switched in Pittsburgh.

If a guy like Kyle Quincey can land a 1st, I expect Martin to atleast bring in the same return, if not then a 2nd and a prospect.

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I remember when; as soon as early this season, that Martin's contract was considered good.

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03-10-2012, 11:38 AM
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People are confusing potential expendability due to a deep blueline with trying to unload a player at all costs.
This, this, a million times this.

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Yup, Isles are buyers for hiigh cap hit long term deals of good players like Martin.
Only question is would Martin reject as he turned down Snow in free agency already to take lesser money from the Pens.
Martin is a good #4 defenseman who is a better puck mover/distributer than a D-zone expert, but he would be a big upgrade to Isles and could play on the second pairing freeing Hamonic to play alongside a recovering Streit.
My choice of Martin or Michalic would be Michalec for his defenseive play and more physical performance.
I can't see Martin suddenly changing his mind and wanting to play for the NYI ,waiving his NTC.

Two other teams to keep an eye on this summer are Phoenix and SJ.
Both are very deep defensively.

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03-10-2012, 01:11 PM
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I remember when; as soon as early this season, that Martin's contract was considered good.
Yeah...I remember when all the experts put the Pens team D as one of the best in the league due to bringing in Martin and Z. I still think that assessment is true!

Most people mistakenly think that bigger money contracts should mean a d-man that scores 20 goals and gets 45 assists. Though Martin had a rough go early in the year, the last few weeks have been much better. Also, most GM's are going to judge his value based on his career to this point, not one off year. It's not like he's 38 and on the decline yet.

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03-10-2012, 01:34 PM
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Edm could use a top dman that is for sure. How is Nisk in moving the puck, shot from the point and defensively. I like the idea that he is only 25 and is a right hand shot. Is he a legit top 3 dman or top 4 dman.

What would it take from EDM to get him?

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03-10-2012, 02:18 PM
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I think a lot of teams would love their #6 to be either Bort, Lovejoy, Strait, etc. These guys are SOLID #5/#6 NHL defenders. Great depth players, too. It's just fully loaded on our blue line right now.

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03-10-2012, 03:13 PM
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I think Martin is tradeable but it would require a bad contract coming back in return. (similar to Spacek for Kaberle). I don't see anyone giving up value for an overpaid player.

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if people really think martin is that bad of a contract thats totally cool, we'll keep him.

hes been much much better since he was removed from the real problem (michalek).

we'll keep them both, just never play them together again.


lets move some depth players.
but wait. HFboards knows nothing about them! they must be scrubs worth 7th at most.


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Martin and Lovejoy will be gone and replaced bu Despres and Bort.

People saying that Martin is untradeable have no idea what they're talking about.

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I remember when; as soon as early this season, that Martin's contract was considered good.
Your average hfboards poster...

2 months of bad play> Several years of good play

Every time a player struggles it's dump him for capspace. Especially on the Pens board where there is a strange obsession with European wingers despite being one of the best offensive teams in the league. He's actually 2nd on the team in D-man points & only Letang plays more than him.

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Just posted this as obviously some moves will have to be made, and of very high quality parts. Potentially a top four defenseman if the price is right, if not a very solid 5/6 guy. The Pens will not give away an asset, but given the value of those recently, especially quality PMD, thought there would be some strong interest.

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03-10-2012, 05:41 PM
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Is Martin available? It seems like most posters agree that he is overpaid by about .5-1 million and that Pit will soon have more defensemen than they have space for.

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Pens will have to amnesty Martin.
LOL. You haven't seen him in the past 10 games or so. He's back to old Paul Martin again. Bylsma must have dug up in his ass. We won't have to amnesty him.

If Martin keeps playing the way he has been, prior to getting sick, there will be a decent market for him. He's really turned his game around.

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Is Martin available? It seems like most posters agree that he is overpaid by about .5-1 million and that Pit will soon have more defensemen than they have space for.
I think people feel he'll be available because of the increase in Neal's contract and with Morrow/Despres banging on the door to play. Despres was really awesome to watch in last night's game.

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Paul Martin is the Scott Gomez of defensemen (e5)


Not even close.

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Martin may be overpaid by a bit but he definitely still has value

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I think Martin is tradeable but it would require a bad contract coming back in return. (similar to Spacek for Kaberle). I don't see anyone giving up value for an overpaid player.
All you have to do is look at the ridiculous money that was handed out to slightly above avg. blueliners this past Summer to know that Martin has pretty significant value.

He had only played 22 games before he became an UFA and he was one of the hottest commodities on the FA market, despite the injury he had. His agent said on a few occasions he took less to come to the Pens and he had several offers for more money.

So at least several other teams were willing to give him more money than he is making now.

It is quite rare a top 4 blueliner becomes available for trade and you can be sure Shero will get back fair value for Martin. Gms arent going to let 2 months of avg. play discount the player he has been for the last 7 seasons.

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