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03-13-2012, 03:46 PM
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Carbonneau: ''Without Budaj, we lose 8-2 tonight'' (Mon-Buf)

I was surprised last night after the Mon-Buf game to hear Carbonneau say on ''L'antichambre'' (RDS) that without Budaj between the pipe Montreal lose the game 8-2. And another commentator agreeing with him.

We are talking about a player with more than 1300gp with many award, a leader with experience as coach, who is paid $ to make thoughtful comment on television. Someone with enough credibility that fans will take his comments for granted.

Come on, without Budaj who could be in goal?

Price? He never allowed 8 goal in his career (but yes, sometime he allowed 6 or 7 and the game could still finish 8-2, but that was 2 years ago).

Any other goalie in the league? Even Roloson have a 3.82 GAA this year and allowed 8 goal only once this season over 29 games. (and become close to it twice).

Nathan Lawson? is career NHL GAA is 4.06 with the weak islander.

As far as i am looking at it, no other NHL goalies is expected to give 8 goals if we replace Budaj by them. In reality if we replace Budaj by anyone it should not be that worse, and in some case better. (there is a reason Budaj is a underused backup.)

My opinion is this is the kind of stupid comments that we see often around the media that contribute to help fans overrating their goalies.

Do you remember these kind of comments at the beginning of the season: ''Without Price, Montreal could be a bottom ranking team''. Well, with Price we are a bottom ranking team and 27 other teams are doing better than us without price.


I think fans are too self centered on their team goalie and forgot how many other good goalies are around the league


Looking at the different top 10 goalies around the web i compiled the following....

7 Goalies has been considered the best in the league.
16 Goalies are considered in a top 3
19 Goalies are Considered in a top 5
29 Goalies are considered in a top 10


It just sound wrong to me, if i would compile many different top 3 NHL centers around the web, i dont think i would find 16 different centers mentioned.

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I don't think he was taking a shot at Price. He was paying a compliment to Budaj and saying we were outplayed.

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I don't think he was taking a shot at Price. He was paying a compliment to Budaj and saying we were outplayed.
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actually, we would've lost 35-2

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I don't think he was taking a shot at Price. He was paying a compliment to Budaj and saying we were outplayed.
I can imagine a ton of realistic way to say a compliment other than without Budaj we lose 8-2. (4-2 could be a good start!)

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i think your over anzlying/overreacting on what he said

he just meant budaj kept them in the game

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I can imagine a ton of realistic way to say a compliment other than without Budaj we lose 8-2. (4-2 could be a good start!)
It's live TV, it's a saying that's often used. You're over thinking it.

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Well, to be fair to Budaj he played pretty great last night.

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I don't think he was taking a shot at Price. He was paying a compliment to Budaj and saying we were outplayed.
pretty much this.

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actually, we would've lost 35-2
Carbo was probably taking into consideration that the Habs will have 6 skaters without Budaj therefore more likely to have control of the puck. In the short time the Habs played without him in net last night, they outscored the Sabres 1-0. However, over 60 minutes, it is quite probable that the score would be 8-2. Sabres are fairly average while playing with a man down based on their PK ranking.

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It's not a shot at Price.

It's a compliment towards how well Budaj played.

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This guy likes to use a lot of words and numbers to analyze very trivial stuff.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1132023

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I can imagine a ton of realistic way to say a compliment other than without Budaj we lose 8-2. (4-2 could be a good start!)
But that is one of the best way to say that Budaj was good and Habs were horrible.

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i think your over anzlying/overreacting on what he said

he just meant budaj kept them in the game
Completely agreed. The OP is over-reacting.
Honestly I see nothing wrong in Carbo comment; one can exaggerate a bit, no ?

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This guy likes to use a lot of words and numbers to analyze very trivial stuff.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1132023
Of course i do, but i feel my poor English limiting myself in what im trying to express.

The op is more about exploring the ''fans self-centered around their team goalie performance'' phenomenon than specifically about the Budaj comment.

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People always say stuff like that, ignoring the fact its the goalies job to stop the puck and even make a hard save once in a while. Its pure hyperbole that really means "Budaj played well." Of course, Budaj let in 3 goals on 36 shots for a 91.6 save percentage. That's good, but not spectacular.*

* I didn't watch the game so I can't vouch for the quality of those saves.

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Yeah he makes a lot for a guy that's played 11 games. Hear that he's always the last guy off the ice in practice & sticks in to take the high shots in practice so the guys can get better on their corners.

A good team guy...

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Completely agreed. The OP is over-reacting.
Honestly I see nothing wrong in Carbo comment; one can exaggerate a bit, no ?
I consider it, exaggerating a lot.

So much that i consider this kind of comments unhelpful in the way it will contribute to the overrating fans have of their goalie. Then lead to big disagreement when fans of two different team will discuss about their players value.

I would not have any problem with the Carbo quote if it had no impact on fans, if they indeed was considering these comments as exaggeration and stay realist when evaluating their goalie.

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I consider it, exaggerating a lot.
I think most people get it. He is just saying, the goalie kept us in it.

No exaggeration at all either. Without Budaj, net would have been empty. Probably a lot more goals would have been scored.

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I don't think he was taking a shot at Price. He was paying a compliment to Budaj and saying we were outplayed.
Exactly !

Kind of childish to jump to such conclusion....

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I think most people get it. He is just saying, the goalie kept us in it.

No exaggeration at all either. Without Budaj, net would have been empty. Probably a lot more goals would have been scored.
So you think Carbo mean without any goalie ?

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holy overreaction, batman to an exageration!

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actually, we would've lost 35-2
that.......close thread

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So you think Carbo mean without any goalie ?
I was kidding. He is just giving props to Budaj for a game well played.

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I was kidding. He is just giving props to Budaj for a game well played.
So when fans of a team say: ''without our goalie we should be a bottom ranking team''

Are they only giving props to their goalie for a good season? or they really believe it ?

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Well, the OP does highlight the fact that media and fans tend to overrate goalies to bash the team. "If it was not halak" "if it was not price" now "if it was not Budaj", it's an overuse argument when trying to say the team didn't play well. Goalie is part of the team. Sometimes the goalies is bad but the team is good. Sometimes the first line is good and the 2nd line is bad..."if it wasn't the first line"...Op used a sample of what is being said about goalies, that's giving a false perspective of the expectations we should have toward the "goalie" vs "rest of the team", which is absurd. Its NHL level afterall, the back up goalie is not peewee BB caliber.

Btw, those who always say "close thread" "thread fail" but don't have anything interesting to say should **** imo. It's so pretentious and useless. Let the mods do their job. What's up with all these people who never start threads but hang around to tell the op to shut up.


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