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11-11-2004, 09:48 PM
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How Does Schremp Rate Now

im an oilers fan so my opinion on schremp is suspect...

whats non-oilers fans take on the guy?

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This post reminds me of "Good Will Hunting"

With the scene where Affleck is like "I'm gonna tell you what I think of you....your suspect my friend, suspect."

Who uses that saying anymore?

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First not a big Schremp fan. I had him going in the second round last year. Many people who watched him only in the prospects game were very high on him cause he had an execellent showing.

The good: He's started to consistently be an offensive threat in London this year using the passing and play making skills that he showed off in the prospects game last year. I'm assuming that this is likely cause he's improved his conditioning (just guessing) which I heard was pretty poor. Also I think that he's learned how to play better in a team system this year.

The bad: While Schremp isn't small he play's that way. Also while he's quick and agile he still doesn't have the extra gear that most offensive players have in the NHL. Anyother area of concern for me is that with Corey Perry on his team so Schremp is still clearly the #2 offensive threat which helps him. Also he still has a tendency to get alot of his points against weaker teams and by padding the lead (a tendency alot of skill players have).

Overall: Last year I saw alot more of Jason Bonsignore (skill, effort and drive) wise than I did Marc Savard (a comparison I still like). This year I can see him turning into a Marc Savard more than a bust. Probably a good pick up where Edmonton got him (Personally I was hoping that they'd pick Mike Green and I still stand by that).

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This post reminds me of "Good Will Hunting"

With the scene where Affleck is like "I'm gonna tell you what I think of you....your suspect my friend, suspect."

Who uses that saying anymore?
that is one of the funniest scenes in a movie, in my opinion. If you have the DVD, they have an extended version in the bonus features. I love Afflecks suit, just real solid stuff.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled posting....

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Schremp is still clearly the #2 offensive threat which helps him

When he played for the Crunch (oha) he was the go to guy. He seemed to play better being number 1, almost like he steps up his game. I know its a huge step from teir 2 to teir 1 but thats the closets comparison i can think of.

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First not a big Schremp fan. I had him going in the second round last year. Many people who watched him only in the prospects game were very high on him cause he had an execellent showing.

The good: He's started to consistently be an offensive threat in London this year using the passing and play making skills that he showed off in the prospects game last year. I'm assuming that this is likely cause he's improved his conditioning (just guessing) which I heard was pretty poor. Also I think that he's learned how to play better in a team system this year.
He's been better than a point-per-game player all 2 1/2 seasons he's been in the OHL, I don't know how you can get much more consistent than that. As for his conditioning, the Oilers brass indicated he was one of the best conditioned players at their evaluation camp, so and problems there are probably overblown. He's also shown he's willing to take a hit to make a play, and make a more concerted effort to be more of a two-way player.


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The bad: While Schremp isn't small he play's that way. Also while he's quick and agile he still doesn't have the extra gear that most offensive players have in the NHL. Anyother area of concern for me is that with Corey Perry on his team so Schremp is still clearly the #2 offensive threat which helps him. Also he still has a tendency to get alot of his points against weaker teams and by padding the lead (a tendency alot of skill players have).
Schremp is an average sized player with good speed. So what if he's not a burner who kills people? That's not a requisite to being a star in the NHL. Ask Mark Recchi or Doug Weight. As for Corey Perry, he's an over-ager, of course he's going to be in the spotlight. It's not like Schremp is getting the shaft though. After all, London is the best, and deepest team in the OHL. He might get a lot of points on the PP, but I would call Owen Sound or Mississauga "weaker" teams.



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Overall: Last year I saw alot more of Jason Bonsignore (skill, effort and drive) wise than I did Marc Savard (a comparison I still like). This year I can see him turning into a Marc Savard more than a bust. Probably a good pick up where Edmonton got him (Personally I was hoping that they'd pick Mike Green and I still stand by that).
We all have preferances, but for a team like Edmonton that was looking for a star offensive player, they came out on top with a guy like Schremp. They didn't need Mike Green.

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As for Corey Perry, he's an over-ager, of course he's going to be in the spotlight. It's not like Schremp is getting the shaft though. After all, London is the best, and deepest team in the OHL. He might get a lot of points on the PP, but I would call Owen Sound or Mississauga "weaker" teams.



Perry is not an overagers he's 19 and in his 4th year of OHL.

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THere is no questioning Schremp's talent. Based on talent alone, he could vvery well be a top 10, or even top 5 prospect IMO. But as we have seen many times before, especially in hockey, there's more to the game than just talent. His attitude leaves something to be desired and even though he can score at will, his attitude will get him into trouble.

He's also not a very big guy and doesn't play with that grit and edge that most smaller players need to be successful in this league when they have the seemingly unmotivated attitude Schremp puts forward.

In short, he's got all the talent in the world, but he lacks the proper attitude and composure to be an elite prospect.

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As for Corey Perry, he's an over-ager, of course he's going to be in the spotlight. It's not like Schremp is getting the shaft though. After all, London is the best, and deepest team in the OHL. He might get a lot of points on the PP, but I would call Owen Sound or Mississauga "weaker" teams.



Perry is not an overagers he's 19 and in his 4th year of OHL.
My bad. Regardless, he's been with that team for quite some time, and the offense runs through him. That doesn't make him a better prospect than Schremp, or is a slight to him in anyway.

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THere is no questioning Schremp's talent. Based on talent alone, he could vvery well be a top 10, or even top 5 prospect IMO. But as we have seen many times before, especially in hockey, there's more to the game than just talent. His attitude leaves something to be desired and even though he can score at will, his attitude will get him into trouble.

He's also not a very big guy and doesn't play with that grit and edge that most smaller players need to be successful in this league when they have the seemingly unmotivated attitude Schremp puts forward.

In short, he's got all the talent in the world, but he lacks the proper attitude and composure to be an elite prospect.

Dale Hunter and Oilers management disagree with you.

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Dale Hunter and Oilers management disagree with you.
Well of course Oilers management would disagree with me. They'll also disagree with almost every other management team in the NHL and scouting agency in the world about who is a better goalie prospect between Devan Dubnyk and Marek Schwarz.

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Well of course Oilers management would disagree with me. They'll also disagree with almost every other management team in the NHL and scouting agency in the world about who is a better goalie prospect between Devan Dubnyk and Marek Schwarz.

That's a fair point, although I think Hunter's opinion of Schremp's play this year bears consideration. He wasn't exactly a fan this year but seems to have changed his tune.

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He's been better than a point-per-game player all 2 1/2 seasons he's been in the OHL, I don't know how you can get much more consistent than that.
He's been a point per game player but he's had alot of 3 or 4 pt nights. which meant 2 or 3 games where he'd but nothing on the board. This year he's more of a get a point every game sort of player.

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As for his conditioning, the Oilers brass indicated he was one of the best conditioned players at their evaluation camp, so and problems there are probably overblown.
He's grown an inch and dropped 10 pounds, plus his energy level on the ice seems noticably higher this year so it's probably a little of both.

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He's also shown he's willing to take a hit to make a play, and make a more concerted effort to be more of a two-way player.
Agreed.

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Schremp is an average sized player with good speed. So what if he's not a burner who kills people? That's not a requisite to being a star in the NHL. Ask Mark Recchi or Doug Weight.
Both Recchi and Weight were noticably better skaters than Schremp IMO.

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As for Corey Perry, he's an over-ager, of course he's going to be in the spotlight. It's not like Schremp is getting the shaft though. After all, London is the best, and deepest team in the OHL. He might get a lot of points on the PP, but I would call Owen Sound or Mississauga "weaker" teams.
The stuff I mentioned were just areas of concern not reasons to completely write him off. Alot of people here seem ready to label him an All-Star calibre player already and realistically only 3 - 6 players in every draft come close to that. Just to sum up again.

I think that he's one of the most improved players from last year to this. Like I said last year I thought he was a second rounder, this year I think that he was a first rounder I under rated (and perhaps still do).

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Well of course Oilers management would disagree with me. They'll also disagree with almost every other management team in the NHL and scouting agency in the world about who is a better goalie prospect between Devan Dubnyk and Marek Schwarz.
I'm sorry, do you know of a place where GM's were quoted as saying Schwarz was a better prospect than Dubnyk... 25 of them anyways (that would constitute almost every other management team in the NHL).

And there aren't that many scouting agencies, and I doubt they see as many games as a scout for an NHL team would. In the end, it's basically one guys opinion over another.

I've heard that St. Louis also had Dubnyk over Schwarz...

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Concerning Schremp's apparent attitude problem... he doesn't have one. Being confident or even cocky and having something to prove is going to get him to the NHL. In my opinion, an attitude problem is when a player has no fire or drive to succeed... I don't care how polite the player is.

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As for Corey Perry, he's an over-ager
Get your facts straight, he's 19, not an overager.

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Get your facts straight, he's 19, not an overager.
your about 10 replys to late for that one buddy, you should read through the end before u reply.

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Get your facts straight, he's 19, not an overager.

What part of "my bad" did you not understand?

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Concerning Schremp's apparent attitude problem... he doesn't have one. Being confident or even cocky and having something to prove is going to get him to the NHL. In my opinion, an attitude problem is when a player has no fire or drive to succeed... I don't care how polite the player is.
What you are saying is that somehow you know something that all the NHL teams that passed on Schremp do not know ??? Give me a break.

If 20 odd NHL teams passed on Schremp because of an attitude problem, you better believe there is a lot of merit to that. It's not just cockiness.

He's a highly skilled player for sure but he obviously landed in the Oilers laps for a reason.

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Good, solid player. Don't think he should be rated 9C, maybe around 7.5-8Bish, Cish...

Is in the same boat as O'Sullivan. Great prospect but a lot of questions on whether he will transit to the NHL well.

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What you are saying is that somehow you know something that all the NHL teams that passed on Schremp do not know ??? Give me a break.

If 20 odd NHL teams passed on Schremp because of an attitude problem, you better believe there is a lot of merit to that. It's not just cockiness.

He's a highly skilled player for sure but he obviously landed in the Oilers laps for a reason.
No... what he's saying is a lot of the percieved problems he had are turning out to be over-exaggerated.

It was rumoured he and Hunter had a bad relationship, and that Schremp wouldn't go back to London, making that 3 teams he would have walked out on in 1 season... that obviously didn't happen.

There were also questions to his commitment to stay in shape, and play in other areas other than the offensive zone.

He showed up to the Oilers camp and was one of the most fit players there, and Hunter has been praising Schremp for his commitment on defense this year.

I didn't want the Oilers to pick Schremp because I thought he was a goal suck who put his point totals ahead of the team winning... he's certainly proving that wrong this year.

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No... what he's saying is a lot of the percieved problems he had are turning out to be over-exaggerated.

It was rumoured he and Hunter had a bad relationship, and that Schremp wouldn't go back to London, making that 3 teams he would have walked out on in 1 season... that obviously didn't happen.

There were also questions to his commitment to stay in shape, and play in other areas other than the offensive zone.

He showed up to the Oilers camp and was one of the most fit players there, and Hunter has been praising Schremp for his commitment on defense this year.

I didn't want the Oilers to pick Schremp because I thought he was a goal suck who put his point totals ahead of the team winning... he's certainly proving that wrong this year.
oilers need a goal suck...cuz right now theyve got enough players who simply suck

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Good, solid player. Don't think he should be rated 9C, maybe around 7.5-8Bish, Cish...

Is in the same boat as O'Sullivan. Great prospect but a lot of questions on whether he will transit to the NHL well.
7.5, 8?

I thought that was based on talent, from what i've seen and heard his talent is extremely high. Top tier high, so why would that be so low?

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THere is no questioning Schremp's talent. Based on talent alone, he could vvery well be a top 10, or even top 5 prospect IMO. But as we have seen many times before, especially in hockey, there's more to the game than just talent. His attitude leaves something to be desired and even though he can score at will, his attitude will get him into trouble.

He's also not a very big guy and doesn't play with that grit and edge that most smaller players need to be successful in this league when they have the seemingly unmotivated attitude Schremp puts forward.

In short, he's got all the talent in the world, but he lacks the proper attitude and composure to be an elite prospect.
I have stated this before on these boards, but I will say it again, all the reports on Schremp say he has a attitude problems, and is not a team guy. Yet every time they ask a team mate, they have nothing but good things to say about him. His talent is top notch, and anyone who calls his skills overrated are simply not watching him play. Yes Cory Perry is a great talent, but frankly I am tired of the insinuation that Schremp is having a good year simply because he plays with Perry. Could the same reasoning not be applied to why Perry has been doing so well? The bottom line is Edmonton did incredibly well for themselves in taking Schremp late in the 1st round and I believe that before long the Edmonton fans will be singing the praises of a very electric, very colourful, and above all else, a very creative and skilled young centreman named Rob Schremp. He is just what the doctor ordered for that Oiler frachise.

In dealing with your post of him having all the talent, but lacking the proper attitude, I will just say this, at 18 there are boatloads of prospects who think they are the cat's ass, and many of those guys have gone on to become leaders in the game. We will have to wait and see if Schremp can infact bridge the gap between skills and leadership, but I know that I would rather have a guy with incredible skill, and little composure, (which can be learned) then the other way around.

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I was at the Knights game tonight, Schremp 3 nice goals. This guy has IMO the best shot in the OHL and in the top 3 or 4 in CHL.

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