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03-21-2012, 08:45 PM
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So if he rips it up, we'll be even more amazed. And if he doesn't... well, same as before, we'll mostly look back fondly on last season. Either way.
Exactly.

The big thing to me is how the knee holds up more than the points. He'll be rusty it will take time to have the timing down especially with his stickhandling, playmaking and quick release. Putting it all together may not happen this year at 100%.

I just want to know he's healthy and his skating actually looks good from what I've seen.

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03-21-2012, 11:30 PM
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3 for 3 for the tank tonight. This is big!

1. Columbus - who cares, too far behind
2. Edmonton - 73 GP, 25 ROW, 66 PTS
3. Montreal - 74 GP, 23 ROW, 69 PTS
4. Minnesota - 72 GP, 23 ROW, 70 PTS
5. Islanders - 73 GP, 24 ROW, 71 PTS
6. Tampa Bay - 72 GP, 30 ROW, 71 PTS (essentially a 3 point lead due to tie-breaker)
7. Toronto - 74 GP, 29 ROW, 72 PTS (essentially a 4 point lead due to tie-breaker)
8. Anaheim - 75 GP, 29 ROW, 75 PTS (essentially a 7 point lead due to tie-breaker)
9. Carolina - 74 GP, 30 ROW, 75 PTS (essentially a 7 point lead due to tie-breaker)

Tomorrow, Oilers @ Lightning is the big game.

Either EDM will be 1 point behind us with same GP and they would have tons of momentum.

OR

TB will be 4 points (5 with tie-breaker) ahead while still having a game in hand. We'd have a nice cushion on the 6th pick! It would be 3 points (4 due to tie-breaker) over TOR.

Calgary also plays Minnesota.

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03-21-2012, 11:51 PM
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3 for 3 for the tank tonight. This is big!

1. Columbus - who cares, too far behind
2. Edmonton - 73 GP, 25 ROW, 66 PTS
3. Montreal - 74 GP, 23 ROW, 69 PTS
4. Minnesota - 72 GP, 23 ROW, 70 PTS
5. Islanders - 73 GP, 24 ROW, 71 PTS
6. Tampa Bay - 72 GP, 30 ROW, 71 PTS (essentially a 3 point lead due to tie-breaker)
7. Toronto - 74 GP, 29 ROW, 72 PTS (essentially a 4 point lead due to tie-breaker)
8. Anaheim - 75 GP, 29 ROW, 75 PTS (essentially a 7 point lead due to tie-breaker)
9. Carolina - 74 GP, 30 ROW, 75 PTS (essentially a 7 point lead due to tie-breaker)

Tomorrow, Oilers @ Lightning is the big game.

Either EDM will be 1 point behind us with same GP and they would have tons of momentum.

OR

TB will be 4 points (5 with tie-breaker) ahead while still having a game in hand. We'd have a nice cushion on the 6th pick! It would be 3 points (4 due to tie-breaker) over TOR.

Calgary also plays Minnesota.
Excellent news. I hope we end up with #2 overall, because at least we could trade down if we dont want Grigorenko.

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03-22-2012, 12:00 AM
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Let's hope this Oilers/Tampa game goes to OT!

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Excellent news. I hope we end up with #2 overall, because at least we could trade down if we dont want Grigorenko.
or just not pick him

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03-22-2012, 04:40 AM
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Gringo gift-wrapped with the Habs picking 2nd,Edmonton wants Dumba running their PP. He's going to be a special defenceman feeding the young stars in Edmonton.

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03-22-2012, 07:28 AM
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At the very very worst, we finish in 24th. The top seven picks are pretty established - Yakupov, Grig, Forsberg, Galen, Trouba, Murray, Dumba - in whatever order. Except for Yakupov, it's possible that any one of those falls to 7th.

... and, every year, some teams go off the board early so who knows what will be available at #7. But, again, that's the worst case scenario. Best case? Obviously win the lottery.

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03-22-2012, 07:35 AM
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3 for 3 for the tank tonight. This is big!

1. Columbus - who cares, too far behind
2. Edmonton - 73 GP, 25 ROW, 66 PTS
3. Montreal - 74 GP, 23 ROW, 69 PTS
4. Minnesota - 72 GP, 23 ROW, 70 PTS
5. Islanders - 73 GP, 24 ROW, 71 PTS
6. Tampa Bay - 72 GP, 30 ROW, 71 PTS (essentially a 3 point lead due to tie-breaker)
7. Toronto - 74 GP, 29 ROW, 72 PTS (essentially a 4 point lead due to tie-breaker)
8. Anaheim - 75 GP, 29 ROW, 75 PTS (essentially a 7 point lead due to tie-breaker)
9. Carolina - 74 GP, 30 ROW, 75 PTS (essentially a 7 point lead due to tie-breaker)

Tomorrow, Oilers @ Lightning is the big game.

Either EDM will be 1 point behind us with same GP and they would have tons of momentum.

OR

TB will be 4 points (5 with tie-breaker) ahead while still having a game in hand. We'd have a nice cushion on the 6th pick! It would be 3 points (4 due to tie-breaker) over TOR.

Calgary also plays Minnesota.
With Carolina and Anaheim's wins, I think that puts them out of reach for us. two less teams to worry about!

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03-22-2012, 07:37 AM
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Tampa/edmonton being a three point game would be SWEET.

As would a wild win.

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03-22-2012, 09:20 AM
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3 for 3 for the tank tonight. This is big!

1. Columbus - who cares, too far behind
2. Edmonton - 73 GP, 25 ROW, 66 PTS
3. Montreal - 74 GP, 23 ROW, 69 PTS
4. Minnesota - 72 GP, 23 ROW, 70 PTS
5. Islanders - 73 GP, 24 ROW, 71 PTS
6. Tampa Bay - 72 GP, 30 ROW, 71 PTS (essentially a 3 point lead due to tie-breaker)
7. Toronto - 74 GP, 29 ROW, 72 PTS (essentially a 4 point lead due to tie-breaker)
8. Anaheim - 75 GP, 29 ROW, 75 PTS (essentially a 7 point lead due to tie-breaker)
9. Carolina - 74 GP, 30 ROW, 75 PTS (essentially a 7 point lead due to tie-breaker)

Tomorrow, Oilers @ Lightning is the big game.

Either EDM will be 1 point behind us with same GP and they would have tons of momentum.

OR

TB will be 4 points (5 with tie-breaker) ahead while still having a game in hand. We'd have a nice cushion on the 6th pick! It would be 3 points (4 due to tie-breaker) over TOR.

Calgary also plays Minnesota.
And Mikko Koivu is back.

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03-22-2012, 09:33 AM
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With Carolina and Anaheim's wins, I think that puts them out of reach for us. two less teams to worry about!
Don't jinx us! Our final week could be 2 or 3 wins, so we are not out of the woods yet.

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03-22-2012, 09:55 AM
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Hey Guys,

I'm friends with the son of a scout, and asked him what his opinions are on grigerenko said he loves him, and the idiot who said he wouldn't take him at 20th should be fired.

He's been a scout as well now for about 15-20 years and is pretty well respected

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03-22-2012, 10:19 AM
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Hey Guys,

I'm friends with the son of a scout, and asked him what his opinions are on grigerenko said he loves him, and the idiot who said he wouldn't take him at 20th should be fired.

He's been a scout as well now for about 15-20 years and is pretty well respected
The scout who said he wouldn't even take him at 20 was either kidding or a scout of a team that usually picks over 20 so the other teams would let him fall to him

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03-22-2012, 10:31 AM
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The scout who said he wouldn't even take him at 20 was either kidding or a scout of a team that usually picks over 20 so the other teams would let him fall to him
Or how about a scout from a team that has a Do-not-draft Russians in the 1st round policy.

The KHL is a definite threat, what would happen if they offered Grigo $4 million a year to play back home, how do we know he doesn't turn it down?

People on this board underestimate the KHL factor for Russian draft prospects.

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03-22-2012, 10:33 AM
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I can see Montreal drafting Galchenyuk or Forsberg, not Grigorenko.

Columbus will take Yakupov and Edmonton will either take Murray or Dumba, Grigorenko will fall to The Wild or The Lightning.

If we draft Forsberg, he will be a 1st/2nd line LW for years to come and with Pacioretty, we might have the two best LW's in the business in the coming years, if we draft Galchenyuk, then Desharnais or Plekanec would have to be traded as I prefer Eller on the 3rd line and the top 2 would have to be Desharnais/Plekanec and Galchenyuk.

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03-22-2012, 10:35 AM
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I can see Montreal drafting Galchenyuk or Forsberg, not Grigorenko.

Columbus will take Yakupov and Edmonton will either take Murray or Dumba, Grigorenko will fall to The Wild or The Lightning.

If we draft Forsberg, he will be a 1st/2nd line LW for years to come and with Pacioretty, we might have the two best LW's in the business in the coming years, if we draft Galchenyuk, then Desharnais or Plekanec would have to be traded as I prefer Eller on the 3rd line and the top 2 would have to be Desharnais/Plekanec and Galchenyuk.
In two years maybe. Galchenyuk just missed a year of development.

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03-22-2012, 10:44 AM
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Or how about a scout from a team that has a Do-not-draft Russians in the 1st round policy.

The KHL is a definite threat, what would happen if they offered Grigo $4 million a year to play back home, how do we know he doesn't turn it down?

People on this board underestimate the KHL factor for Russian draft prospects.
Well, he's playing for a lot less than he would in Russia by playing in the CHL.

I think people quickly forget that a guy like Grigorenko would make a bazillion more in endorsements/sponsorships in Montreal than he would with any Russian contract.

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I don't know if this was posted yet, it's a couple days old but it's a good read.

On Wednesday, NHL.com caught up with Central Scouting's Al Jensen, who provided immediate reaction to Galchenyuk's performance.

"Despite the loss, I could certainly see the high-end talent that Galchenyuk has," Jensen told NHL.com. "His shifts during the game were limited and very short as was to be expected. He's an excellent skater, very strong strides. He didn't get any chances but handled the puck well with confidence and made a couple of nice passes.

"He's got great hands overall for a player that has missed so much time this year with the injury. It looks very promising for him moving forward -- he's an excellent prospect."


http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=7504

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Well, he's playing for a lot less than he would in Russia by playing in the CHL.

I think people quickly forget that a guy like Grigorenko would make a bazillion more in endorsements/sponsorships in Montreal than he would with any Russian contract.
That's a good point, sounds like a win-win to me.

Grigo/Galy/Forsberg is my order. I'd really be happy with all three but the one I want most is obviously Grigorenko because he has a higher upside.

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Well, he's playing for a lot less than he would in Russia by playing in the CHL.

I think people quickly forget that a guy like Grigorenko would make a bazillion more in endorsements/sponsorships in Montreal than he would with any Russian contract.
I'm pretty sure the Remparts are paying him at least as much as he would be making in the KHL playing 3rd or 4th line.

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I'm pretty sure the Remparts are paying him at least as much as he would be making in the KHL playing 3rd or 4th line.
With taxes? Hell no. I think Radulov was making around 100k in Quebec, and that was considered a lot.

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Well, he's playing for a lot less than he would in Russia by playing in the CHL.

I think people quickly forget that a guy like Grigorenko would make a bazillion more in endorsements/sponsorships in Montreal than he would with any Russian contract.
Beeing a top 3 pick, his contract should be around 3,25M. I know the bonuses are included but if the team really want to convice him to stay with a good contract, they can lower the bonuses requirements.

1st pick:
- RNH: 3,755M
- Hall: 3,75M
- Tavares: 3,75M
- Stamkos: 3,725M
- Kane: 3,725M

2nd pick:
- Landeskog: 3,575M
- Seguin: 3,55M
- Hedman: 3,5M
- Doughty: 3,475M
- JVR: 1,654M

3rd pick:
- Huberdeau: 3,175M
- Gudbranson: 3,2M
- Duchene: 3,2M
- Bogosian: 3,375M
- Turris: 2,695M

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Beeing a top 3 pick, his contract should be around 3,25M. I know the bonuses are included but if the team really want to convice him to stay with a good contract, they can lower the bonuses requirements.

1st pick:
- RNH: 3,755M
- Hall: 3,75M
- Tavares: 3,75M
- Stamkos: 3,725M
- Kane: 3,725M

2nd pick:
- Landeskog: 3,575M
- Seguin: 3,55M
- Hedman: 3,5M
- Doughty: 3,475M
- JVR: 1,654M

3rd pick:
- Huberdeau: 3,175M
- Gudbranson: 3,2M
- Duchene: 3,2M
- Bogosian: 3,375M
- Turris: 2,695M
Bonuses are pre set items like winning rookie of the year, all rookie team and high point totals. I don't think you can give a guy 1 mil for playing 60 games 2 mil for playing 75+ or whatever. Most rookies don't get much in terms of bonuses.

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If we win all our remaining games and every other team loses their remaining games (impossible..)

Worst we can pick is 19th.

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I think people quickly forget that a guy like Grigorenko would make a bazillion more in endorsements/sponsorships in Montreal than he would with any Russian contract.
This.

Whoever this pick ends up being, if he ends up being a star for us and a key part of a turnaround and hopefully high levels of team success, he'll be viewed as a god here...

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