I'm confused. Are we talking one peak year equals his ceiling in here, like it's gonna happen every year in his prime? I was talking in a sense of what I want to see him putting up year-in and year-out at a minimum, so the 60-70 point range from center seemed like a reasonable expectation to me with a minimum of 20-40-60 per year; otherwise I'll be disappointed with his progression and output. Could he be near a P/GP for a few prime years? Sure, but not at the current rate the team or linemates like Stafford are finishing; maybe if he plays with someone like Armia in the future, who knows.
I am not going to go along and say that he's going to be hovering around 30-60-90 for 5-6 seasons and a Cup, Hart or Art Ross winner to boot, when I have more tempered expectations of Ennis myself. I own his third jersey and think he'll be a good player in this league, but these are the type of numbers that suggest he's going to be elite, which frankly I just don't see (yet). I'll gladly be proven wrong.
This kids future is way too bright. I've just heard and am angered by all of the pre-trade deadline day posts of how Tyler Ennis could/should be traded and or not re-signed. Parting with Tyler would be a MASSIVE mistake. His skill level is through the roof, his vision is acceptional, possess' blinding speed, dazzling deke's, he's creative and a future (near future) first line center for almost any NHL team. His ceiling is unlimited. I see him as a 90 point player one day, and an integral part of what could be a Stanley Cup run in the near future. Players of his calibur dont come around everyday. Keep him, re-sign him, whatever we have to do to keep this stud around for a long time. With Tyler Myers, and now Cody Hodgson, the future is bright for this team. Bright is actually an understatement. End of story.
I'm curious why you don't see him hitting 70pts. IMO he has the speed and dynamic puck handling skills to hit 70pts. I can't see much more than that but thats plenty.
I think his fortunes offensively will be determined but how he is used next year (center/wing) and what retooling is done with the roster.
To get back to you about this topic ....
I am not dismissing the possibility of Ennis getting higher than 50-55 pts. as a center or a winger. I just personally doubt his point totals will average much more than that.
It may seem odd to you or some others, but I'll try to explain myself.
I think Ennis is a small light player. I think it would not be beyond the impossible to imagine him occasionally getting hurt enough where he would miss 10-15 games a season. So to make it easier (for me ) let's just say he's out 12 games a season. That leaves 70 games he plays in. With that thought, I don't see him as a PPG player. I see him getting roughly 50-55 points in those 70 games. He may get a little more in a season from time to time. But overall averaging 50-55 points. Again, I'll be fine with that.
I know, I know, I'm freaking nuts and stupid to short change such a talent. It's just the way I feel oh well.
Of course if he consistently gets over 55, I'll be pleasantly surprised!
As an Avs fan, I'd trade Stastny for Ennis.....Stastny does have a better two way game but isn't consistently an offensive threat like Ennis even though he's been better since the calendar year turned.
Stastny can go up against top lines but...O'Reilly and to a lesser extent McClement can do that. To have a nightly offensive threat like Ennis at centre is what most teams would covet though.
I think he'll end up hovering around the 60 point range, like most top six forwards do.
To answer what you've asked others, I think he's more of a playmaker than a goalscorer.
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I'm confused. Are we talking one peak year equals his ceiling in here, like it's gonna happen every year in his prime? I was talking in a sense of what I want to see him putting up year-in and year-out at a minimum, so the 60-70 point range from center seemed like a reasonable expectation to me with a minimum of 20-40-60 per year; otherwise I'll be disappointed with his progression and output. Could he be near a P/GP for a few prime years? Sure, but not at the current rate the team or linemates like Stafford are finishing; maybe if he plays with someone like Armia in the future, who knows.
I am not going to go along and say that he's going to be hovering around 30-60-90 for 5-6 seasons and a Cup, Hart or Art Ross winner to boot, when I have more tempered expectations of Ennis myself. I own his third jersey and think he'll be a good player in this league, but these are the type of numbers that suggest he's going to be elite, which frankly I just don't see (yet). I'll gladly be proven wrong.
Slightly OT, but I've ALWAYS been amazed (never mind the obvious talent) at how durable St. Louis is for such a little guy. Guy just doesn't miss games.
And, at this point in his young career, I think the Ennis-St. Louis "comparisons" - or rather career-asymptote-hope, are not justified. St. Louis excels in (at least) two ways I don't see from Ennis (to any great extent, yet). St. Louis has a great knack for getting to open space, in a very Wayne-Gretzky-and-Brett-Hull-like way. St. Louis also has a tremendous ability to split between defenders on a rush (whether with the puck or not) where you just don't see any such opening. I see Ennis backing people up, moreso than breaking them down, splitting them, or squirting by them (though, he does all those at times). Ennis does seem to have St. Louis balance, however, and his hands are pretty darn good, like Marty. We can only hope (and enjoy watching).
Leino-Ennis-Pomminville (as some suggested)
Ennis-Hodgson-Stafford (as we've seen a little of)
Pretty sure I'd rather watch either of those lines than the perrenial **** show and lack of chemistry that is Roy with Vanek.
i can see Pominville like points in his career(not comparing them as players just G,A,P's). I dont think he'll ever put up gaudy C1 numbers like stated by the original poster but he is a great core player to have.
If hed learn how to better break the zone on rushes to optimize his passing options he'd be phenomenal. He's had a ton of missed chances for all the successful ones this year especially
As an Avs fan, I'd trade Stastny for Ennis.....Stastny does have a better two way game but isn't consistently an offensive threat like Ennis even though he's been better since the calendar year turned.
I am not speaking for all Sabre's fans, but I would decline.
I love to see a little guy who was told his whole life "you're too small" just dominate. He was amazing tonight.
Maybe not to the extent he was tonight, but I think Ennis has been our best player along with Miller for possibly the last month. Honorable mention to Myers and Ehrhoff.
I've always thought Ennis was amazing. Though I also liked Afinogenov which people always compared him to.... Though I like Ennis more
Whats our record again when Ennis is healthy? I know we're 38-9-7 when he scores a point. Either way I think this team missed him and Ehrhoff when they were injured and Myers as well.
I am not dismissing the possibility of Ennis getting higher than 50-55 pts. as a center or a winger. I just personally doubt his point totals will average much more than that.
It may seem odd to you or some others, but I'll try to explain myself.
I think Ennis is a small light player. I think it would not be beyond the impossible to imagine him occasionally getting hurt enough where he would miss 10-15 games a season. So to make it easier (for me ) let's just say he's out 12 games a season. That leaves 70 games he plays in. With that thought, I don't see him as a PPG player. I see him getting roughly 50-55 points in those 70 games. He may get a little more in a season from time to time. But overall averaging 50-55 points. Again, I'll be fine with that.
I know, I know, I'm freaking nuts and stupid to short change such a talent. It's just the way I feel oh well.
Of course if he consistently gets over 55, I'll be pleasantly surprised!
Yeah I totally see what you mean. He is small, fast and skilled. Kinda reminds me of Daniel Briere, what did he ever do.
Maybe not to the extent he was tonight, but I think Ennis has been our best player along with Miller for possibly the last month. Honorable mention to Myers and Ehrhoff.
Don't forget Sekera!! He may be hurt, but he needs to not be forgotten!!
But yes, Ennis has a sophomore slump. Then he got hurt. Then he said "sophomore what?"
Slightly OT, but I've ALWAYS been amazed (never mind the obvious talent) at how durable St. Louis is for such a little guy. Guy just doesn't miss games.
And, at this point in his young career, I think the Ennis-St. Louis "comparisons" - or rather career-asymptote-hope, are not justified. St. Louis excels in (at least) two ways I don't see from Ennis (to any great extent, yet). St. Louis has a great knack for getting to open space, in a very Wayne-Gretzky-and-Brett-Hull-like way. St. Louis also has a tremendous ability to split between defenders on a rush (whether with the puck or not) where you just don't see any such opening. I see Ennis backing people up, moreso than breaking them down, splitting them, or squirting by them (though, he does all those at times). Ennis does seem to have St. Louis balance, however, and his hands are pretty darn good, like Marty. We can only hope (and enjoy watching).
Leino-Ennis-Pomminville (as some suggested)
Ennis-Hodgson-Stafford (as we've seen a little of)
Pretty sure I'd rather watch either of those lines than the perrenial **** show and lack of chemistry that is Roy with Vanek.
i'd love to see a top 2 of foligno-ennis-staff and vanek-hodgson-poms for at least a game, see if they can spark someone in the 2nd line i posted
Oilers fan here wondering why Ennis has played so few games. Has he been injured? Doesn't seem to be keeping the PPG he had last year either. What is up with both of these things. I'm not hating, I'm just curious. I'm a big fan of the kid.
Oilers fan here wondering why Ennis has played so few games. Has he been injured? Doesn't seem to be keeping the PPG he had last year either. What is up with both of these things. I'm not hating, I'm just curious. I'm a big fan of the kid.
Ankle Injury.
Underperforming like most of the team did this season.
) let's just say he's out 12 games a season. That leaves 70 games he plays in. With that thought, I don't see him as a PPG player. I see him getting roughly 50-55 points in those 70 games. He may get a little more in a season from time to time. But overall averaging 50-55 points. Again, I'll be fine with that.
oh well.
