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03-12-2012, 09:00 AM
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my thoughts and wishes:

Peter Regin - Released. Never liked him anyways, never will
Jess Winchester - Released. They might try and give it a 2-way contract but he'll walk
Kuba - Will walk away from 1 year deal offered to him
Auld - Stick a fork in him. He's done
Carkner - Released.
K-Daug - Will walk away from minimal 2 year, 2 way deal.
Klinkhammer - Will be offered a Butler type deal and hopefully accepts/
Butler - on waivers at some point.
JOB - Hopefully resigned to a 2 year, 2-way deal. But he will walk if too low.
Karlsson - I see a 6.8mil/season 3-year deal
Foligno - 2 years at 3.75 mil/season deal
Alfie - Contract is re-negotiated (I can't guess on the $ terms, but 2 year extention)


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03-12-2012, 09:29 AM
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Foligno RFA - Retained, 2 years, $4.2M or 3 years, $6.75M
Regin RFA - Retained, 1 year $1M
O'Brien RFA - Retained, 2 years, $700k
Winchester UFA - Retained or released, if he comes back he's a good 4C
Konopka UFA - Released
Daugavins RFA - Released
Klinkhammer RFA - Retained, 1 year, $700k
Kuba UFA - Retained or released- only want back on a 1 year deal
Karlsson RFA - 3 years, $18M
Gilroy UFA - Retained, 1 year $1M
Carkner UFA - Released
Auld UFA - Released
Filatov RFA - Retained
Da Costa RFA - Retained
Gryba RFA - Retained

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03-12-2012, 10:41 AM
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Klinkhammer - Will be offered a Butler type deal and hopefully accepts/
After 4 games?

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Butler - on waivers at some point.
And yet you seemingly haven't learned...

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Alfie - Contract is re-negotiated (I can't guess on the $ terms, but 2 year extention)
Can't do that under the current CBA.

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03-12-2012, 11:06 AM
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Alfie - Contract is re-negotiated (I can't guess on the $ terms, but 2 year extention)
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Can't do that under the current CBA.
We've already essentially done it once under the current CBA: mutual buy out of the last year of the contract, signed the new contract starting in 2009/10.

Just posting for accuracy's sake.

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03-12-2012, 11:06 AM
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How many RFA's have the Sens ever let walk and not qualified?

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03-12-2012, 11:08 AM
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We've already essentially done it once under the current CBA: mutual buy out of the last year of the contract, signed the new contract starting in 2009/10.

Just posting for accuracy's sake.
I believe that was because his previous contract was signed under the old CBA.

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We've already essentially done it once under the current CBA: mutual buy out of the last year of the contract, signed the new contract starting in 2009/10.

Just posting for accuracy's sake.
That was a one-time exemption made possible by Alfie's grandfathered contract that had been signed in the previous CBA and included player and team option years (something that is no longer allowed).

Even the Sens didn't know how the league would react to the buy-out, and when the league turned around and added a cap hit for the buy-out years they were surprised. They thought they wouldn't count.

The situations are so different that there is no point in bringing it up, "for accuracy's sake". Pretending like they are is... inaccurate.

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03-12-2012, 11:14 AM
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How many RFA's have the Sens ever let walk and not qualified?
Well, Murray said he wouldn't have qualified Campoli if he hadn't traded him, so there's one.

Cody Bass was let go last off-season. I assume that was the Sens throwing him a bone for his years of service, since he wasn't going to get a spot here. Same with Ryan Potulny.

I don't believe Roman Wick and Ilya Zubov were qualified, but they don't really count.

No other significant players (ie players on the Sens, not in the minors) immediately come to mind. Maybe Bondra, since we simply didn't pick up his option year and let him walk (not technically the same thing).

The point is, it's not a common thing. Teams generally don't just let assets walk for free.

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03-12-2012, 11:18 AM
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I believe that was because his previous contract was signed under the old CBA.
Well, ok then!

Learned something new today.

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03-12-2012, 11:26 AM
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Unless Parise/Suter/Ryan are secretly old and Russian, they wont sign here.
Haha, well played!

I am doubtful that any of the above three would consider Ottawa. Hopefully having a true #1 playmaking center and the best offensive d-man in the league will be enough to sway a top three winger to the Sens.

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03-12-2012, 11:33 AM
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Foligno RFA - Retained, 2 years, $4.M or 3 years, $6M
Regin RFA - Retained, 2 years $2M
O'Brien RFA - Retained, 2 years, $2M
Winchester UFA - Retained, 2 years 2M; traded after Camp if no room
Konopka UFA - Released
Daugavins RFA - Retained, 2 years 2M; traded after Camp if no room
Klinkhammer RFA - Retained, 2 years, $1.8M
Kuba UFA - Retained, 2 years 7.6M
Karlsson RFA - 3 years, $18M
Gilroy UFA - Retained, 1 year $1M
Carkner UFA - Retained, 1 year 1M; traded after Camp if no room
Auld UFA - Released
Filatov RFA - Released
Da Costa RFA - Retained
Gryba RFA - Retained

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03-12-2012, 11:51 AM
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Foligno RFA - Retained, 2 years, $4.M or 3 years, $6M
Regin RFA - Retained, 2 years $2M
O'Brien RFA - Retained, 2 years, $2M
Winchester UFA - Retained, 2 years 2M; traded after Camp if no room
Konopka UFA - Released
Daugavins RFA - Retained, 2 years 2M; traded after Camp if no room
Klinkhammer RFA - Retained, 2 years, $1.8M
Kuba UFA - Retained, 2 years 7.6M
Karlsson RFA - 3 years, $18M
Gilroy UFA - Retained, 1 year $1M
Carkner UFA - Retained, 1 year 1M; traded after Camp if no room
Auld UFA - Released
Filatov RFA - Released
Da Costa RFA - Retained
Gryba RFA - Retained
Filatov RFA - Released what does it cost in Salary cap or real salary to resign him? He will be resign.

The rest of the list looks good

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03-12-2012, 12:05 PM
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We can't retain everybody with MZ and Silfverberg on the way. We wouldn't even have room for them all now if not for the injuries to Regin and Winchester.

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03-12-2012, 12:39 PM
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Well, Murray said he wouldn't have qualified Campoli if he hadn't traded him, so there's one.

Cody Bass was let go last off-season. I assume that was the Sens throwing him a bone for his years of service, since he wasn't going to get a spot here. Same with Ryan Potulny.

I don't believe Roman Wick and Ilya Zubov were qualified, but they don't really count.

No other significant players (ie players on the Sens, not in the minors) immediately come to mind. Maybe Bondra, since we simply didn't pick up his option year and let him walk (not technically the same thing).

The point is, it's not a common thing. Teams generally don't just let assets walk for free.
Muckler gave Saprykin a qualifying offer, then he got fired and Murray retracted it and let Saprykin walk, which was very disappointing in my opinion.

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03-12-2012, 12:45 PM
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Muckler gave Saprykin a qualifying offer, then he got fired and Murray retracted it and let Saprykin walk, which was very disappointing in my opinion.
I hear ya, always liked Saps on the 4th line.

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Filatov is done here, but Daugavins gets another 1 year deal. The man needs this year to get used to the NHL pace.

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What are the rules for minor league contracts. I mean we have guys like Schira, Cowick, Parrish, Locke, McKenna, Conboy and other career AHLers on Ottawa contracts. Can they be just resigned by Binghamton so they are not counted towards 50 contracts limit? Or they have to clear waivers or whatever first?

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Kuba: 2 years, 5 mil.
Foligno: 4 years, 14 mil.
JOB: 3 years, 3 mil.
Karlsson: anything the man wants
Gilroy: 2 years, 2.5 mil.

Gotta think that Winnie, Konopka and Regin are gone. Too much talent coming through that we need room for. If we don't sign Parise (which I hope we do despite there not being a solid chance!), I see the lines as:

Michalek - Spezza - Zibanejad
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfie
Greening - Smith - Condra/Stone (though Stone is more likely in the A for next season).
Foligno - JOB - Neil

Kuba- Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Gilroy

Anderson
Bishop

I'm pretty stoaked to see what Silfverberg and Stone can do. It looks like Stone has progressed extremely well with his skating, and Silvferberg is lighting it up in the SEL.


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Muckler gave Saprykin a qualifying offer, then he got fired and Murray retracted it and let Saprykin walk, which was very disappointing in my opinion.
Absolutely, I missed that one. Although Murray didn't really "retract" it (you can't do that), they both agreed that Saprykin wouldn't sign it and left it at that.

I also liked him, but I don't think he was prepared to accept the role we wanted him to (4th line plugger).

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What are the rules for minor league contracts. I mean we have guys like Schira, Cowick, Parrish, Locke, McKenna, Conboy and other career AHLers on Ottawa contracts. Can they be just resigned by Binghamton so they are not counted towards 50 contracts limit? Or they have to clear waivers or whatever first?
You are allowed to have 50 NHL contracts.. that involves the NHL squad and all the players that have contracts with Ottawa down in bingo 1-way or 2-way. Some of the players down there are signed to Binghamton and not Ottawa.

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You are allowed to have 50 NHL contracts.. that involves the NHL squad and all the players that have contracts with Ottawa down in bingo 1-way or 2-way. Some of the players down there are signed to Binghamton and not Ottawa.
That's the question. Why waste a contract on Lessard if he can(?) be signed by Binghamton rather than Ottawa. Or it's just a matter of money and Bingo budget?

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Filatov RFA - Released what does it cost in Salary cap or real salary to resign him? He will be resign.

The rest of the list looks good
Iamok says it. We gave him several chances to succeed and told him how we needed it to play out so he was aware of the implications.

I think he breezed through his juniour years on talent without being pushed. He was rushed in Columbus and pushed with mixed reviews and injury. He was not rushed here, rathergiven every opportunity to get his game back up to the level everyone thought it could be at...and did not put in the work.

The game I saw in Binghamton was like a park skate for the guy - fringe, waiting for the breakaway pass. That may have worked in Bure's era, but Filatov is not Bure, even without the red line.

I'd love to see theguy perform to potential with the Sens, but not at the expense of the parade of guys coming in the next years.

Hoffman (by example) has paid some hard dues and still may not find a spot next year. We have some of the best forwards in the draft coming soon (Stone, Prince, Nosen, etc) and they will not even get a sniff next year at the rate our guys are developing.

Filatov's time passed him by.

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Bring back the young guys and let them battle for spots. Vets like Konopka, Auld, Kuba can walk. Though I could see Kuba being brought back if the terms are good.

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Kuba: 2 years, 5 mil.
Foligno: 4 years, 14 mil.
JOB: 3 years, 3 mil.
Karlsson: anything the man wants
Gilroy: 2 years, 2.5 mil.

Gotta think that Winnie, Konopka and Regin are gone. Too much talent coming through that we need room for. If we don't sign Parise (which I hope we do despite there not being a solid chance!), I see the lines as:

Michalek - Spezza - Zibanejad
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfie
Greening - Smith - Condra/Stone (though Stone is more likely in the A for next season).
Foligno - JOB - Neil

Kuba- Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Gilroy

Anderson
Bishop

I'm pretty stoaked to see what Silfverberg and Stone can do. It looks like Stone has progressed extremely well with his skating, and Silvferberg is lighting it up in the SEL.
In which world does a number 2 or 3 defense is worth 2.5M per year? Or that a 3rd, 4th liner (Foligno) is making more than a top 3 D?

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In which world does a number 2 or 3 defense is worth 2.5M per year? Or that a 3rd, 4th liner (Foligno) is making more than a top 3 D?
My bad, screwed up the $$$, not the years. Having a day...

Foligno: 4 years, 2.5 mil per
Kuba: 2 years, 3.5 mil per

Might not look like enough fro Kuba, but I doubt Murray makes the mistake of giving Kuba his own term again. This time, Kuba stays on Murray's term. I hope he doesn't get more than 3.5 mil per if he re-signs; he's been way to inconsistent during his time here...

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