Yeah well unfortunately McKenzie is one of the few guys in the media who is usually spot on.
And Schultz is as good as gone. The "weighing his options" once he's finished school pretty much confirms it.
I have no idea why Hayward was raving about him QBing the PP for the next 10 years when it's pretty obvious he's not signing.
I'm not grasping for straws, but McKenzie doesn't have any fact to base his oppinion on, as no team besides Ducks is allowed to talk with the kid. He's only stating what he thinks is logical, and what would logical destination be from his POV.
Umm, why was the title of this thread changed? It is misleading and inaccurate from what ive read in an article nbducksfan posted.
Here are clips from the article:
Schultz, a life sciences communication major, offered this ray of hope to UW fans: If there’s a lockout “there’s still a chance for me coming back” to school, he said.
But make no mistake, Schultz is poised to become the 15th underclassman to leave the Badgers and turn pro since 2004. It would mark the seventh consecutive year Eaves has lost at least one player prior to his senior season.
“Yeah, I think I’m ready,” Schultz said. “My defensive game got a lot better this year and I continued to improve everything.
“I’ve done enough here and I think it’s time for me to move on.”
Can someone please enlighten me on the thread title change and what i'm missing?
I think it is meant to say "Wants to finish (this) school (year)."
He makes it clear that he's not going to sign before April 7th which is the important date for the Ducks. That's the last day he can sign and burn a year off his ELC.
Spring break is next week for Wisconsin. He says he's going back home to BC. So he'll be on vacation until April 8. Now he could certainly sign while he's home, but he says in the article tonight that he wont make any decisions until after the school year.
That's troubling for the Ducks because there isn't any incentive for him to sign with Anaheim between April 8th and July 1 when he can become a free agent.
If he really wanted to sign with the Ducks, he could sign on the last day of the season and be on the roster for one game, and burn a year off his ELC and collect an $87,5000 check at the gate. But he says he wont make a decision until after that. That says a lot.
If he gets to April 8, he's not signing until July 1 when he's on the open market.
IMO Ducks (& Wisconsin fans) need to be rooting for a lockout if they want his services.
According to Schultz, one of the reasons he hasn't signed a contract is because some agents are telling players there might be a lockout. And it's not like he could have signed with any other team than the Ducks. I don't see how this is anything other than promising for the Ducks.
After talking with the Ducks Team Rep, I'm very doubtful that there will be a lockout. From what I was told, the NHLPA and NHL are far, far closer on issues than last time.
According to Schultz, one of the reasons he hasn't signed a contract is because some agents are telling players there might be a lockout. And it's not like he could have signed with any other team than the Ducks. I don't see how this is anything other than promising for the Ducks.
what is troubling is even if he doesn't want to sign now due to a potential lockout, by the time he will know for certain that no lockout will occur, he will be a free agent with no incentive to select to play for the ducks (other than any loyalty he may have to the team which drafted him).
The 22-year-old Schultz previously declined an interview request with the Register but he did speak about his future for the first time with the Wisconsin State Journal’s Andy Baggot, who has covered the Badgers for many years.
I'm not grasping for straws, but McKenzie doesn't have any fact to base his oppinion on, as no team besides Ducks is allowed to talk with the kid. He's only stating what he thinks is logical, and what would logical destination be from his POV.
You can almost guarantee that Bobby Mac talked to someone in the Schultz camp and knows more than he's letting on.
Right now it looks like B... Is he afraid of Eric Stephens or something? Why not just tell Eric that he will wait until the summer to sign or that he might go back to school? It seems like he wants to avoid talking to anybody involved with the Ducks.
This thread needs another opinion based on news articles/rumors
I think the kid knows there's variables (time to sign with Ducks, UFA, Lockout, Other teams, Gardiner, his family, school... etc)
And so far he has made 1 decision:
No NHL contract to play this year.
So, there ya go. If I was in his shoes, and I made that decision, then I wouldn't be in a rush to do anything either. I'd feel loyalty to the team that drafted me, but at the same time, I'd have to spend some time considering all my options now that I have time.
If Schultz was really trying to get out of Anaheim, he would have said something, forced a trade, signed and played for a different team to finish out this season. But apparently, his 1 decision he has made is that he didn't feel like signing to play this season.
Right now it looks like B... Is he afraid of Eric Stephens or something? Why not just tell Eric that he will wait until the summer to sign or that he might go back to school? It seems like he wants to avoid talking to anybody involved with the Ducks.
Because every single word he has said since he got drafted has been scrutinized and read at face value and read into by thousands of people... and then they sit around discuss the meaning of every word he has said and word he has said to other people.
The kid all of a sudden has a following of millions of people, following his movements and his words. Last thing he probably wants to do is do interviews where he feels out of his comfort zone. All it takes is a miss placed word or two and people will be up in arms over 'disloyalty' and questioning his character... or sending him hate mail or whatever.
if you get interviewed by 5 different people, and your answers vary in verbage just slightly in some of the interviews, people will freak out and analyze the poop out of it.
"So Schultz, what do you think about being drafted by the Ducks"
Answer
"I really respect the Anaheim Organization and appreciate them taking a chance on me...."
and next interview
"Anaheim took a chance on me and I will always appreciate the chance they took on me..."
and the next interview
"I really was suprised that Anaheim took a chance on me, I really appreciate that they drafted me..."
and the next interview
"People have asked me about the Ducks organization a lot lately. They know that when they drafted me, they were taking a chance..."
....
And if you do a whole bunch of interviews, you never know what kind of mix of words you might have that people will be ready to crucify you over.
Because every single word he has said since he got drafted has been scrutinized and read at face value and read into by thousands of people... and then they sit around discuss the meaning of every word he has said and word he has said to other people.
The kid all of a sudden has a following of millions of people, following his movements and his words. Last thing he probably wants to do is do interviews where he feels out of his comfort zone. All it takes is a miss placed word or two and people will be up in arms over 'disloyalty' and questioning his character... or sending him hate mail or whatever.
if you get interviewed by 5 different people, and your answers vary in verbage just slightly in some of the interviews, people will freak out and analyze the poop out of it.
"So Schultz, what do you think about being drafted by the Ducks"
Answer
"I really respect the Anaheim Organization and appreciate them taking a chance on me...."
and next interview
"Anaheim took a chance on me and I will always appreciate the chance they took on me..."
and the next interview
"I really was suprised that Anaheim took a chance on me, I really appreciate that they drafted me..."
and the next interview
"People have asked me about the Ducks organization a lot lately. They know that when they drafted me, they were taking a chance..."
....
And if you do a whole bunch of interviews, you never know what kind of mix of words you might have that people will be ready to crucify you over.
(Before signing with ducks)
*Media Reaction* - "Best player ever, he will walk to UFA and sign with Vancouver. Though we don't have solid information..."
(After signing with ducks)
*Media Reaction* - "SILENCE"
He makes it clear that he's not going to sign before April 7th which is the important date for the Ducks. That's the last day he can sign and burn a year off his ELC.
Spring break is next week for Wisconsin. He says he's going back home to BC. So he'll be on vacation until April 8. Now he could certainly sign while he's home, but he says in the article tonight that he wont make any decisions until after the school year.
That's troubling for the Ducks because there isn't any incentive for him to sign with Anaheim between April 8th and July 1 when he can become a free agent.
If he really wanted to sign with the Ducks, he could sign on the last day of the season and be on the roster for one game, and burn a year off his ELC and collect an $87,5000 check at the gate. But he says he wont make a decision until after that. That says a lot.
If he gets to April 8, he's not signing until July 1 when he's on the open market.
IMO Ducks (& Wisconsin fans) need to be rooting for a lockout if they want his services.
Here's the problem: we won't know if there's a lockout until September 15th. And Schultz has to decide long before then if he's not returning and wants to hit UFA. The whole scenario could be quite minor and him just refusing to publically admit he's leaving, but if not, then there's a good chance he'll remain Ducks property. Also, while he says he won't make any decisions until after the school year, he could decide with his parents and advisor that Anaheim's the way to go then, knowing he'd just have to suit up against Calgary to get that big signing bonus and burn off a year of his contract, and then go right back to school. Just because he says he won't decide until the school year's over doesn't mean a whole lot.
Indications are that he's hitting the open market, but it's still quite hard to tell. If he's seriously concerned about a lockout, and will wait it out until a clearer picture is painted, then that's huge for the Ducks. He's Ducks property until he declares otherwise.
Just saw an interview that Justin gave to Wisconsin's Varsity Magazine... He said that he's going to do what is best for him after talking with his parents and advisor. Since he's going home to BC for spring break soon I would imagine that next week will be huge in deciding what he does.
Can the Ducks still sign him even after the season is over before July 1st?
Just saw an interview that Justin gave to Wisconsin's Varsity Magazine... He said that he's going to do what is best for him after talking with his parents and advisor. Since he's going home to BC for spring break soon I would imagine that next week will be huge in deciding what he does.
Can the Ducks still sign him even after the season is over before July 1st?
You guys can call it "changing his mind" but his agent had to of told him his possibilities, to give your word to an EMPLOYER and not live up to it is ******** if he didn't want to sign he should have said so.
changing your mind is an excuse for children, he's an adult.
Just saw an interview that Justin gave to Wisconsin's Varsity Magazine... He said that he's going to do what is best for him after talking with his parents and advisor. Since he's going home to BC for spring break soon I would imagine that next week will be huge in deciding what he does.
Can the Ducks still sign him even after the season is over before July 1st?
Yes, they can - but my understanding is that signing with the ducks after the season ends will not provide any financial advantage vs. signing as a UFA with the team of his choice.
Yes, they can - but my understanding is that signing with the ducks after the season ends will not provide any financial advantage vs. signing as a UFA with the team of his choice.
I think the whole money argument can be thrown out the window. Justin is confident enough in his abilities where he isn't dashing to leave school for some extra bucks. His character should decide who he signs with. It's not like Anaheim has enough fans who are smart enough to make his NHL life miserable when he visits the Pond.
I think the biggest thing to take from that interview is I believe he has no desire to play in the AHL. Who cares if there's a lockout? He'll be on an entry-level contract and will play pro hockey no matter what. Being that he's never played in the NHL it is very much a possibility that he'll play in the minors to begin his career so lockout or not he could end up there anyway. I think his desire is to go to a team that will guarantee him a spot in the lineup which is something the Ducks absolutely will do. Plus he doesn't know what the status on entry-level contracts will be like after the new CBA. He might lose money doing this. Also there's no way we will have a lockout like we did eight years ago. The NHL can't survive that.
There is a maximum AHL salary on an ELC contract, it's $65,000 if he signs with the Ducks, and $70,000 if he signs as a free agent.
Redden, Avery, and Souray weren't on entry level contracts, they were on one way salaries. If Schultz signs with the Ducks, he's on a two-way.
Two-way means you get one salary in the minors, and one in the NHL. Max for his draft year is $875,000 in the NHL, and like I said $65,000 in the AHL.
I don't see why that would change.
Ok, thanks for the clarification.
Best case for the Ducks is a lockout where they close the loophole. Best case which could actually occur is a lockout where he goes back to school and gives the Ducks a list of teams he likes so they can trade him and get SOME return.
Best case for the Ducks is a lockout where they close the loophole. Best case which could actually occur is a lockout where he goes back to school and gives the Ducks a list of teams he likes so they can trade him and get SOME return.
Oh well.
If he returned for his senior season, he'd almost certainly sign with us anyhow, as we'd hold his rights until mid-August, and signing elsewhere would be irrational by that point. Especially since he'd lose out on burning a year off his ELC yet again.
That's a big reason why I don't see his logic, getting off of your ELC is pretty huge. Not only hitting RFA quicker, but getting away from the two-way deal. He could sign here and almost certainly avoid the AHL altogether, or go somewhere else like Vancouver and spend up to two years there, making significantly less money. I would understand playing close to home, but that's a pretty big price.
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