That blogger is a bit sloppy. Per the OCR that quote from 5-13 was Bob talking to Justin's advisor/agent Wade Arnott. Bob did not make any comment about speaking directly with Justin.
I know there is talk in another thread debating more of the fine print in the CBA. But the original presumption of the CBA required him to give notice of leaving school by June 1. If he did not give notice of leaving school by then, then his rights automatically extended to Aug 15 of 2013. He could quit school any time, but if notice was not given before June 1 then his rights would automatically be extended...according to previous interpretations of the CBA.
I read the other thread and agree there is all kinds of new and different interpretations including the possibility of going back in the draft. The only thing I would say to that is I can't see any scenario where getting drafted again would be his desire. Whatever he does now, I have to believe it involves how to go UFA.
Yeah he certainly doesn't want to go back into the draft. He'd either become UFA or sign with the Ducks.
I guess i don't see how his rights would get extended. It basically says that a) if he stays in school with his graduating class his rights are kept until Aug 15 following graduation or b) if he is no longer a student then his rights last until the fourth June 1st.
Elsewhere it says that in general, prospects get removed from the reserve list on June 1st "except as otherwise provided in this section."
So say he leaves school on June 2nd. He is no longer with his graduating class. Since the 4th June 1st is passed shouldn't he be FA? Or because it is after the typical June 1st release of reserve lists he's really kept until next Aug 15?
He may just not want to deal with the media. He's a kid, and if he declares anything right now he's going to have to answer a lot of questions.
I don't think that's an issue. He'll have to deal with it eventually(although wouldn't want to on May Long, obviously) when he does declare and he can refuse to talk/talk through his agent. If his mind's made up, then he gains nothing by waiting two weeks, other than maybe Bob hassling him in a last ditch effort to sign him(which would be weak, and I imagine Bob's doing a bit of that as is). If he goes past June 1, then he loses by waiting, so we'd definitely know by then.
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Originally Posted by snarktacular
Yeah he certainly doesn't want to go back into the draft. He'd either become UFA or sign with the Ducks.
I guess i don't see how his rights would get extended. It basically says that a) if he stays in school with his graduating class his rights are kept until Aug 15 following graduation or b) if he is no longer a student then his rights last until the fourth June 1st.
Elsewhere it says that in general, prospects get removed from the reserve list on June 1st "except as otherwise provided in this section."
So say he leaves school on June 2nd. He is no longer with his graduating class. Since the 4th June 1st is passed shouldn't he be FA? Or because it is after the typical June 1st release of reserve lists he's really kept until next Aug 15?
That's what I'm unclear on as well. Some are pretty sure he's an instant UFA, but it seems like a weird situation because the date Anaheim's rights to him expire would be in the past. Be interesting to see how it unfolds, although my money's on that he becomes an instant UFA.
And don't think the draft is an option at all, I think someone just got confused with the language. I don't think he'll be put back into the draft depending on when he declares, I think it's just UFA or stay in school for him.
Another thing to add, if his intention was to sign with the Ducks, it would make no sense for him to sign anytime soon. In fact, if he intends to sign here, and the instant UFA thing is true, it actually would make the most sense for him to wait until the CBA's resolved. He loses nothing by waiting until then just to be safe, and his NCAA eligibility remains intact. Could hold true for him signing anywhere else also, but I imagine he'd prefer to be with that organization and deal with their personnel. Of course, if he really doesn't want to play in the AHL and is concerned about the CBA, that might not matter.
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Yeah he certainly doesn't want to go back into the draft. He'd either become UFA or sign with the Ducks.
I guess i don't see how his rights would get extended. It basically says that a) if he stays in school with his graduating class his rights are kept until Aug 15 following graduation or b) if he is no longer a student then his rights last until the fourth June 1st.
Elsewhere it says that in general, prospects get removed from the reserve list on June 1st "except as otherwise provided in this section."
So say he leaves school on June 2nd. He is no longer with his graduating class. Since the 4th June 1st is passed shouldn't he be FA? Or because it is after the typical June 1st release of reserve lists he's really kept until next Aug 15?
I think the interpretation is that he must declare by June 1 to leave early otherwise Aug 15 of next year kicks in. I may have misspoke to call it an extension of his rights. By not declaring to leave by June 1 the "fourth June 1" option could not kick in. I think. But who knows? This used to be a popular theory on HF.
So what do you think of him, his last season and the future with the Ducks?
I think he took again big step forward in his career. A little recap so far:
09/10 - earned 7+16 in 66 OHL games, along with 88 PIM. Was announced one of the best hitter and one of the heardest shot in OHL, by coaches. Lead the team to OHL finals. Appeared in 1 AHL playoff game 10/11 - debuted in AHL first full season, playing all 80 games and earning 2+14 with 128 PIM (most in the team). Was named teams rookie captain at the start of the season and was put against oppositions best lines as the season went on. That is a big reason for his -18 rating. Crunch nominated him for AHL’s IOA/American Specialty Man of the Year award for his great activities off the ice. 11/12 (AHL) - played as the teams top shutdown guy, which limited his numbers to 1+11 and 72 PIM, but was only -1 over the season. In 4 playoff games earned 1+1 (also our offence prospects Etem and Palmieri earned only 2 points) along with +2 (tied for 2nd on team) and 11 PIM (fighting major came after our win in game 2). 11/12 (NHL) - played in 2 games against Edmonton and one of the most dangerous teams in the league - Vancouver. Earned no points, -2 rating (all against Van), but made 2 hits and 2 blocked shots while playing 11 minutes per game.
He is still 21 until middle of October. Maybe now even bigger, but last time was reported as 6`3 and 211 pounds. He is standing his own and his teammate ground and wont be afraid to get into fight (he is not a great fighter, but not a punching bag either. Mostly fights against more experienced fighters).
He sure wont get full time job in NHL next season, but i could see him getting up to 20 games (how much - depending on injuries) with the big club.
What do you think about him? Everyone is talking about Schultz (who looks like disrespects us) and Vatanen, who will be fun to watch next season, thought we should take a look on Clark again.
Discuss.
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Guess he will be fighting for that 6th/7th role in the D with Brookbank (if signed) and Guenin. Didn't see all that much of Clark last season, what's his ups and downs relative to the two others?
I gotta admitt, i didn`t saw him that much last season either, but all reports are saying that he is progressing and maturing. NHL call up also approves that. Clark is more similar to Brookbank - will hit and block shots and will focus on his own end first. Guenin also plays physical but is more of an OD.
I hope we resign Brookbank, personally. He is better than Clark, at least now. Clark will only benefit from another season in AHL, and some games in NHL imo.
Clark/Guenin/Vatanen could make a pretty great competition for that 7th dman spot.
I think Clark's position is dependent on a few things. If Brookbank re-signs I think it will be difficult for Clark to make the team. Guenin was decent last year for the time he played but if management doesn't think he has much more upside, then Clark could move past him on the depth chart. Without Brookbank I think Clark has a shot at being the #6 D man. Vatanen, I believe, needs some time learning north american rinks as well as the NA pro game. I think that is better done in the AHL. Plus I would prefer a #5 or #6 D man to be more defensively responsible than an offensive weapon.
They had:
Heed (5th rd) was 4-26-30, -8 as d-man with Malmo of Sweden's second-best league.
Dahlstrom (6th rd) 1-1-2, -4 in 30 GP with Almtuna IS.
I know Heed was more of a OD, but looks like Dahlstrom is DD?
Dahlstrom is a center, but yeah he definatly must be defensive because he doesn't put up any points. I doubt Ducks sign him. I don't really know why we havn't signed Heed though, guess the Ducks just aren't interested in him anymore.
I would be very surprised if either one of them were signed, especially Dahlstrom. Even for a 2-way forward he's not producing nearly enough at his level. He was in Allsvenskan on a loan-deal from AIK, if he was any good in Allsvenskan AIK would have recalled him to their SEL team.
As for Heed, he's putting up great numbers for a defenseman and will be back in the SEL again next season. I haven't seen him in Allsvenskan, but before that he wasn't anything to write home about defensively. I don't think he has the overall game for the NHL and him translating his offensive numbers is a pipe dream. He could maybe turn out a good offensive d-man in the SEL, and if so maybe get a chance with an NHL team when he's older. At this point, the Ducks could sign Heed and he could be a new Brian Salcido for the AHL team, but hardly much more.
Confirmed in the prospect signing section of the trade rumours/free agent board. I wonder if Heed will be staying in Sweden for the time being or if he is going to be joining the Ducks AHL affiliate ( whoever that turns out to be).
Confirmed in the prospect signing section of the trade rumours/free agent board. I wonder if Heed will be staying in Sweden for the time being or if he is going to be joining the Ducks AHL affiliate ( whoever that turns out to be).
i`d be ok with him staying there. I think for now we have ok OD`s in our system
Tim Heed will play with Vaxjo in the SEL this season, which is perfect. The team can let him develop in Europe and he won't count towards the contract limit.
The Sodertalje native Tim Heed scored 30 points (4+26) in 47 games with Malmo. Something that led to a contract with Vaxjo in the Swedish Elite League for the 2012/2013 season. Now the defenseman has also signed with the Anaheim Ducks of the NHL.
Heed got the call from his agent when he was sitting in his car. It was exciting news to say the least.
"I was happy inside because I wasn't counting on a contract but couldn't exactly shout it (the joy) out".
Tim got a few hours to think about it, but the decision to sign wasn't very hard to make.
"It's a dream come true. My goal has always been to play on the other side".
The NHL team has decided to loan Heed to Vaxjo during the first year of the contract.
"It's only positive staying here. All focus is on Vaxjo.
Heed was drafted by Anaheim in 2010, in the fifth round as number 132 overall. With his contract follows a signing bonus, even if he's staying in the SEL for another season.
"I don't wanna share the numbers, but I'm absolutely happy with it"
But who knows? 
This used to be a popular theory on HF.
