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04-25-2012, 10:03 PM
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Has DSP played enough games to graduate from prospect status?

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Has DSP played enough games to graduate from prospect status?
The criteria is 65 games, so not quite.

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I'd rather have a Cup contending NHL team than bragging rights in the AHL, CHL,SEL,FEL?,NCAA, etc, etc.

Wake me if any of these guys actually start producing for the Ducks.

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Etem at 12

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I'd rather have a Cup contending NHL team than bragging rights in the AHL, CHL,SEL,FEL?,NCAA, etc, etc.

Wake me if any of these guys actually start producing for the Ducks. ;)
Gonna go take a nice long coma?

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Etem at 12
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In the fall we were the 9th on organization rankings with only 2 in the top 50. I smell a top 4.

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Just realized Campbell isnt in the top 50 or he is in the top 10. If he is top 10 then I will laugh. The guy has nothing on Gibson except he is a former 1st rounder.

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Just realized Campbell isnt in the top 50 or he is in the top 10. If he is top 10 then I will laugh. The guy has nothing on Gibson except he is a former 1st rounder.
He had a decent stint in the AHL, so he has that on Gibson.

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I think Hamilton is quickly becoming one of the more overrated prospects.

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I think Hamilton is quickly becoming one of the more overrated prospects.
This. But I also think Etem is overrated.

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He had a decent stint in the AHL, so he has that on Gibson.
I know what you mean, but that's a terrible point of comparison (if he does make it to the list). It's just like people trying to say Hamilton is better than Fowler defensively before Hamilton has played a minute of NHL hockey.

Campbell's subpar OHL campaign has to weigh negatively when matched against Gibson's stellar year.

Seriously, Kitchener's defense is pretty pathetic.

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I know what you mean, but that's a terrible point of comparison (if he does make it to the list). It's just like people trying to say Hamilton is better than Fowler defensively before Hamilton has played a minute of NHL hockey.

Campbell's subpar OHL campaign has to weigh negatively when matched against Gibson's stellar year.

Seriously, Kitchener's defense is pretty pathetic.
Results at a pro level will always carry more weight than a developmental league.

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Gonna go take a nice long coma?
I hope not!

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Results at a pro level will always carry more weight than a developmental league.
aYup.

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This. But I also think Etem is overrated.
Oh, I agree. His dominance is very much an example of men vs. boys, and that won't happen in the AHL and the NHL. I still like him as a prospect, and I think he has good upside, but not necessarily top prospect upside.

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Results at a pro level will always carry more weight than a developmental league.
Considering that Campbell's stint was relatively short vs a nearly full season of mediocre play in a developmental league. I'm not sure it's the best argument.

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Oh, I agree. His dominance is very much an example of men vs. boys, and that won't happen in the AHL and the NHL. I still like him as a prospect, and I think he has good upside, but not necessarily top prospect upside.
Then we can say Huberdeau isn't a top talent either can't we? I know too much weight shouldn't be put on junior performance but all prospects have to dominate that level at that point don't they?

It isn't really fair to Etem to say he doesnt have top prospect upside, he's outperforming many in his own draft class and most prospects in the world. That's gotta count for something. I understand not wanting to get carried away or too excited but lately people are selling Emerson short. He worked hard, he dominated, he deserves the appropriate praise.


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Considering that Campbell's stint was relatively short vs a nearly full season of mediocre play in a developmental league. I'm not sure it's the best argument.



Then we can say Huberdeau isn't a top talent either can't we? I know too much weight shouldn't be put on junior performance but all prospects have to dominate that level at that point don't they?

It isn't really fair to Etem to say he doesnt have top prospect upside, he's outperforming many in his own draft class and most prospects in the world. That's gotta count for something. I understand not wanting to get carried away or too excited but lately people are selling Emerson short. He worked hard, he dominated, he deserves the appropriate praise.
Well, Huberdeau is a year younger and put up much better numbers than Etem this year and last year. Not to mention his hockey sense is off the charts. Etem has question marks because the majority of the goals he scored in juniors came from him blowing past defensemen and getting in one on one with the goalie. In the NHL he will be lucky to get a breakaway a month, in juniors well over 50% of the goals he scored were on breakaways or a similar situation where he got in one on one with the goalie.

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04-26-2012, 11:04 PM
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Paul covered it. It's how he is scoring that makes me doubt his upside compared to some of his peers. Huberdeau's offense isn't coming from being bigger, strong, and faster. In fact, based on what I've seen from him, he has a lot of growing into his body left to do. When he does, he'll be even better. Not to mention his fitness level doesn't appear to be as high as Etem's, which suggests even more room for improvement. Etem is known for his superior fitness level, which gives him an edge now, but will be less of one in the NHL where everyone is expected to be fit.

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Considering that Campbell's stint was relatively short vs a nearly full season of mediocre play in a developmental league. I'm not sure it's the best argument.
Look, for the time being, and at that position, it is something he has on Gibson. Also, twelve games for a goaltender isn't short.

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04-27-2012, 05:17 AM
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Gibson will have plenty of time to prove he will be the better goaltender, if that is what is going to happen. At this point those rankings are little more than prospect e-peen rankings. Campbell is deservedly going to be ahead, and part of that is going to come from being an older prospect who has had the -opportunity- to show more.

In the end, the rankings are meaningless. The only prospects imcare about are Anaheim's, and where they rank is less important to me than how their development is going, and how they might help my team in the future. I'm not going to care five years from now if Campbell ranked higher than Gibson. I'm not going to care if Etem was ranked too high or not high enough. What I'm going to care about is how they are playing in the NHL for my team. Maybe I look back and laugh at how wrong the rankings were, or acknowledge how accurate they ended up being. Maybe. But probably not.

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Why do people around here even care about Campbell?

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Why do people around here even care about Campbell?
Not sure. I only included him because people seem to bring him up vs. Gibson. Perhaps because they are both considered quality goaltending prospects from the US? Dallas is a divisional rival? Maybe they feel some attachment because Dallas had an opportunity at Fowler and they passed on him for Campbell, which helped in Fowler landing in our laps? It's all just speculation at this point.

If the idea was to compare Gibson to other goalie prospects, I'd expect to see other names brought up with Campbell. They aren't the only two quality goaltending prospects out there.

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Speaking of Gibson..

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Charles Chalkin Memorial Trophy as the team's best performer in the playoffs.
http://www.kitchenerrangers.com/arti...emorial-trophy

0.938 SV% in the playoffs and lead the league in that category during the regular season. What a season for him.

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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...issed_the_cut/
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Other players that received brief discussion for this edition of the Top 50 included forwards Alexander Khokhlachev, Zack Kassian, Mark Stone, Austin Watson, Devante Smith-Pelley, Andrew Shaw and Johan Larsson, and defenseman Roman Josi.

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