yeah, i've never understood why hand passes were okay in the defensive zone, but not in the offensive... it should either be allowed or dissallowed in both (i would vote for disallowing myself)
Well before the idea of preventing a team from making a line change after icing the puck, the thought process was that a tired team could make a handpass in their own zone for a whistle. I think the rule would have to be no linechange or timeout after a defensive zone handpass for it to work.
2 points for a win be it in so ot or regulation no points for a loss be it in so ot or regulation, stop with the loser points. Of course if the league did that these "races" for last place would be decided much earlier in the season.
I hates the loser point... I hates it forever!!
also no touch icing, may as well take another thing that the refs can botch out of their hands.
Just a thought. I have no idea whatsoever how the point system would change if they made every game 3 point games.
W in reg - 3 points
W in OT/SO - 2 points
L in OT/SO - 1 point
L in reg - 0 points
Basically, the teams that win in regulation are better off. If anybody has time, tell me how this changes things, and if it can/can't work.
Would make the last 10 minutes of every close game much more exciting to watch as teams actually try to win in regulation. I've never understood how every game can be worth a different amount of points.
you dont remember brodeur and turco playing every puck that went into the corners before the other team even got to the circles? i hated that style and still think the trapazoid is a good rule, not having no touch icings are the problem.
also they need to leave the redline out, the game is way better for everyone
I never minded the good goalies who moved the puck, I always hated the majority who sucked at it. They could go into the corner and create a black hole of offense where offensive players stopped skating and tried to fence the puck away from the goalie.
Excellent. thank you for that. I proposed this 8 years ago. But I wasn't part of the GM meetings. HAHA.
I have a couple of issues with that point system. First, it invalidates old team records. And more importantly, while the current system doesn't recognize any difference between an OT win and a reg win, this one would create too much of a difference. Imagine team A is in a division with some great teams and some crappy teams and team B is in a division where all the teams are pretty close. Team A should get more reg wins playing against the crappy teams that team B doesn't get to play as much. Imo, if 3 reg W = 9p and 3 OT W = 6p, that 3p gap seems like too much when comparing teams that both won every game they played.
I don't know why we can't have half points. I like the idea of 2p for a win, 1.5 for an OT win, 0.5 for an OT loss and 0 for a reg loss. That would alleviate both my issues with your point system while still accomplishing the same goals. Plus it eliminates 3 point games.
No touch icing shouldn't even be a debate... it should have been in ages ago. I honestly think they are waiting for someone to actually die in the NHL from a race for the puck before they come to their senses and make the change. It's unreal that they can't see how that would instantly increase player safety instantly with no downside.
It also blows the whistle faster so teams throwing the puck down the ice don't get as much relief as easily. Puck comes back for a faceoff that much quicker... keeping the pressure on the team looking for relief from the icing. All around on many levels it just makes too much sense not to bring it in.
I agree, 2 line passes over the redline should be allowed. Speeds up the game and eliminates at least some of the trapping options for the teams playing that boring style.
Points system... highly doubtful they'd change it but I've long been in favour of 2 pts for a win... zero pts for a loss or tie. No overtime in the regular season. Under that method every team is going for the win at all times... all 60 minutes are a hard out battle for a WIN. No winner no points.
No touch icing shouldn't even be a debate... it should have been in ages ago. I honestly think they are waiting for someone to actually die in the NHL from a race for the puck before they come to their senses and make the change. It's unreal that they can't see how that would instantly increase player safety instantly with no downside.
It also blows the whistle faster so teams throwing the puck down the ice don't get as much relief as easily. Puck comes back for a faceoff that much quicker... keeping the pressure on the team looking for relief from the icing. All around on many levels it just makes too much sense not to bring it in.
I agree, 2 line passes over the redline should be allowed. Speeds up the game and eliminates at least some of the trapping options for the teams playing that boring style.
Points system... highly doubtful they'd change it but I've long been in favour of 2 pts for a win... zero pts for a loss or tie. No overtime in the regular season. Under that method every team is going for the win at all times... all 60 minutes are a hard out battle for a WIN. No winner no points.
The thing is how many people have died in the world from this, since the inception of hockey?
I don't know why we can't have half points. I like the idea of 2p for a win, 1.5 for an OT win, 0.5 for an OT loss and 0 for a reg loss. That would alleviate both my issues with your point system while still accomplishing the same goals. Plus it eliminates 3 point games.
Like you said giving an extra point for a reg. win versus a OT/SO win seems ok on a small scale but when you carry it over a long stretch of games it creates too much of a gap. The half points thing makes a lot of sense, I just think it may bother some people (GMs?) for no reason other than it looks different.
From what I gather the NHL doesn't want the soccer kicks at the nets, especially a place where players are flopped down on the ice at times.
well you dont kick straight on in a slicing moving, you do it laterally in a scraping motion.
plus you could add a kicking penalty if it was reckless or something. what did they give perry/ryan (forget who it was) when he stomped that guys foot?
The "allow goals to be kicked in" thing is ridiculous. Anyone want to see the Clint Malarchuk video again?
No matter if you give penalties for "reckless" kicks or whatever the chances of a goalie or player getting a skate to the neck would be increased exponentially if you encouraged players to kick their skates around the crease.
well you dont kick straight on in a slicing moving, you do it laterally in a scraping motion.
plus you could add a kicking penalty if it was reckless or something. what did they give perry/ryan (forget who it was) when he stomped that guys foot?
Yeah that sounds smart. Might as well let players use a baseball bats too for pucks flying in the air. Then to keep it under control just give penalties for dangerous swings of the bat that almost take guys heads off.
The "allow goals to be kicked in" thing is ridiculous. Anyone want to see the Clint Malarchuk video again?
No matter if you give penalties for "reckless" kicks or whatever the chances of a goalie or player getting a skate to the neck would be increased exponentially if you encouraged players to kick their skates around the crease.
Just no.
Exactly, allowing kicking for goals would be taking a huge step back for mankind(in hockey of course).
Actually. there is quite a bit of a change, if you read that article that Skimmingswerth posted. The tight races we are seeing today would be less (probably a con). But we are seeing teams that win in regulation having better spots in the standings than the teams winning in extra time.
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I have a couple of issues with that point system. First, it invalidates old team records. And more importantly, while the current system doesn't recognize any difference between an OT win and a reg win, this one would create too much of a difference. Imagine team A is in a division with some great teams and some crappy teams and team B is in a division where all the teams are pretty close. Team A should get more reg wins playing against the crappy teams that team B doesn't get to play as much. Imo, if 3 reg W = 9p and 3 OT W = 6p, that 3p gap seems like too much when comparing teams that both won every game they played.
I don't know why we can't have half points. I like the idea of 2p for a win, 1.5 for an OT win, 0.5 for an OT loss and 0 for a reg loss. That would alleviate both my issues with your point system while still accomplishing the same goals. Plus it eliminates 3 point games.
Yeah I thought about that. That the difference in points from 1st to 8th would kill the 'parity' in playoff races. There is more wiggle room for teams in a playoff position in 3 point games vs the present system.
In regards to divisional play causing problems, I disagree. I don't think it matters if a division is better or worse than other divisions. Division play changes each year. It's the luck of the draw. For example, the Central can ice 4 teams this post-season, the Pacific last season, the NE 2 seasons before.
That 0.5 system is quite interesting. http://hockey.nesbot.com/mynhl doesn't have the option of using 0.5 points. So if anybody is bored, somebody should try showing us how much different the standings would be. lol.
To make everything simple. Just kill the loser point altogether. W-L, no points. With that said, I say get rid of the shootout if this happens.
Actually. there is quite a bit of a change, if you read that article that Skimmingswerth posted. The tight races we are seeing today would be less (probably a con). But we are seeing teams that win in regulation having better spots in the standings than the teams winning in extra time.
No but we are seeing teams that are 1 game under .500 in regulation being ranked worse in the standings than a team that loses all its games in OT.
Yeah I thought about that. That the difference in points from 1st to 8th would kill the 'parity' in playoff races. There is more wiggle room for teams in a playoff position in 3 point games vs the present system.
In regards to divisional play causing problems, I disagree. I don't think it matters if a division is better or worse than other divisions. Division play changes each year. It's the luck of the draw. For example, the Central can ice 4 teams this post-season, the Pacific last season, the NE 2 seasons before.
That 0.5 system is quite interesting. http://hockey.nesbot.com/mynhl doesn't have the option of using 0.5 points. So if anybody is bored, somebody should try showing us how much different the standings would be. lol.
To make everything simple. Just kill the loser point altogether. W-L, no points. With that said, I say get rid of the shootout if this happens.
My problem with killing the "loser point" is that then it creates too much difference between an OTW and an OTL while not distinguishing at all between a reg W and a OTW.
And here are the standings for the 0.5p vs the current and 3 point system
