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Good we'll keep our 21 year old Selke caliber center, and you keep Alzner. A Cap fan asked the price. Avs fans have told you the price. If you don't like it, too bad
Can't wait for vancouver fans to chime in on this.
As far as the op, if Edmonton is taking another forward with their 1st at the draft, targeting ganger would be feasible
My thoughts exactly. Barring Montreal or Toronto free falling further in the standings oilers take the nice big russian center. Hope he pans out and trade gagner for help on defence while his value is the highest its ever been since his rookie season.
RNH-Grigorenko-Horcoff-Belanger is a decent set of centers and in a few years could be awesome. If the russian busts oilers 2nd line center is horcoff but its a risk id take
Our only untouchables are Carlson and Alzner, and I wouldn't even think about trading Orlov or Green for Gagner.
I don't want Gagner for the price it would take. We could do much better with those pieces, if we wanted to.
Well lets here your list of available RFA centers with a realistic chance of actually happening and what would you give up for them. Im not pumping up Gagner just curious what Cap fans are targeting
You're right. What was I thinking? Why would the Caps want a 22-year-old center who would be tied for 4th on the team in scoring? No need for that in Washington, no sir.
He's also playing with Hall and Eberle, while here he'd be playing with Semin and Perreault/Chimera...
Id be interested in him, but not at the expense of our 2nd best dman this year (Orlov) or our "Franchise" Dman (Green)
Caps have mojo and with another year of developement he is on par with Gagner,so giving up any significant asset to not upgrade seems pointless.
The Avs have a nice group of centers...but face it,they are literally Varlamov winning them a ton of shootouts away from lottery land. Yes they are young and show potential,but again the caps problem imo is that they have too many young players to rely on...esp at center right now.
Sup with the oilers fan being so butt hurt because he cant have one of the caps stud young defenders? Green has shown to double Gags point totals,while Carlson was close to matching it as a rookie. Orlov right now looks better offensively than both of them. Alzner,drafted and developed into a steady eddy shutdown guy with noone to replace him. Numbers dont look pretty but these guys are vital to winning games...once again see the standings you gambling fiends jk (lottery).
My thoughts exactly. Barring Montreal or Toronto free falling further in the standings oilers take the nice big russian center. Hope he pans out and trade gagner for help on defence while his value is the highest its ever been since his rookie season.
RNH-Grigorenko-Horcoff-Belanger is a decent set of centers and in a few years could be awesome. If the russian busts oilers 2nd line center is horcoff but its a risk id take
I'm more hoping that we finish 1st-3rd (Last) or win lottery and with Yak maybe falling in the standings after the injury that will keep him out of the season, that we get him at 3rd and Burke works his trade magic and gets Galyenchuk's DP(5th overall).
How about Grabovski for Johansson+1st WASH at draft?
It would be a deal that I might be on the fence about, which is an indicator that it's not unreasonable And maybe Toronto could sweeten it somehow.
But in reality I doubt that the Caps would deal Johansson for any 2C that's realistically out there. Part of it is that the Caps have been hoarding their young players, for better or worse. Part of it is that I think they want depth at center as much as they want an upgrade, so in that sense trading away a promising center for an established center is not ideal.
I think the best assets that Caps might be willing to part with for a center would be 1st, Galiev, Schultz, Perreault.. which is why I doubt the Caps are going to go after/get a good 2C this summer.
Can't wait for vancouver fans to chime in on this.
Kesler never showed the potential O'Reilly does at 21. Kesler exceeded those expectations for sure and is amazing, and O'Reilly could fall short, but I won't deny that the sky's the limit for O'Reilly.
Can't wait for vancouver fans to chime in on this.
As far as the op, if Edmonton is taking another forward with their 1st at the draft, targeting ganger would be feasible
Vancouver fan here - ROR has proven more at 21 then Kesler had at 21 and they have a comparable style of play so that may not be too far off if ROR continues with his current development. I think the Avs have done a hell of a job with their rebuild the past 3 years and ROR is going to be a big part of their success going forward.
For the Caps to get an improvement at 2nd line C is going to be a tough task. Asides from Jokinen and Hudler there isn't any upgrades in free agency. As for the RFA's mentioned in the OP I would think ROR is not available, so that leaves Gagner and Wilson. I know that both Nashville and Edmonton would like to improve their D so I can't see either player getting moved unless Orlov is going the other way. If I was Washington I wouldn't do that deal for Wilson, because even though he has shown potential, he has had a hard time putting it together and at this point isn't an improvement over Johansson. Gagner would seem like the only other RFA option and as much as he gets bashed on this forum, he only 22, and already has 5 NHL seasons of 40+ points under his belt, and with Grigo looking like the BPA at #2 I think that would make Gagner available. So I think a Gagner for Orlov deal makes sense.
Looking over the rest of the league, the only other C's that I could see being made available are Krejci with the emergence of Seguin, and Pavelski but both those guys would take significantly more then what it would take to get Gagner and I don't think the Caps are in the position to be moving significant pieces off their current roster.
I'm more hoping that we finish 1st-3rd (Last) or win lottery and with Yak maybe falling in the standings after the injury that will keep him out of the season, that we get him at 3rd and Burke works his trade magic and gets Galyenchuk's DP(5th overall).
im sure ill get flamed for asking for 2 1sts. neither of them are top-10...so i dont see one being enough.
but if stu thinks were better off with gagner+murray/dumba than grig+whatever we can get from gagner we might just stick with him.
If the Avs lose tomorrow and the Sabres win, the Avs pick is likely an 11th pick as the Avs would finish 20th in the league.......possibly as high as a 7th with the lottery.
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I'd honestly prefer to get a physical center to be the #2 center. However, not much of them are out there who aren't elite or untouchable, so the only way I think they can make up the (never-acquired) physical presence of first proposed center would be to acquire a playmaking center, which is actually much more likely to acqurie.
I'm a huge Eller fan and I'm not advocating the departure of him, but he is an RFA centre. He doesn't have the experience as the other players, but if the habs draft Grigs, he might be made available in order for Grigs to have a spot.
He has 15 goals, almost 30 points and very little pp time. He got to play a bit with Akost and Moen. Akost has been traded and Moen has been out with an injury. Now he plays with Blunden and someone else.
O'Reilly averages 2.22 toi per game for pp 1.10 for shorthanded
Gagner 2.29 0.02 shorthanded
Wilson 2.20 pp time No time shorthanded
Eller Averages 0.40 pp time a game. 1.40 for shorthanded time.
He has 2 less goals than O'Reilly and Gagner and 1 more than Wilson.
Not saying he's worth as much, but it's pretty impressive to see how Eller is developing. If he got better wingers/ more pp time might have more assists/ his first 20 goal season.
I'm a huge Eller fan and I'm not advocating the departure of him, but he is an RFA centre. He doesn't have the experience as the other players, but if the habs draft Grigs, he might be made available in order for Grigs to have a spot.
He has 15 goals, almost 30 points and very little pp time. He got to play a bit with Akost and Moen. Akost has been traded and Moen has been out with an injury. Now he plays with Blunden and someone else.
O'Reilly averages 2.22 toi per game for pp 1.10 for shorthanded
Gagner 2.29 0.02 shorthanded
Wilson 2.20 pp time No time shorthanded
Eller Averages 0.40 pp time a game. 1.40 for shorthanded time.
He has 2 less goals than O'Reilly and Gagner and 1 more than Wilson.
Not saying he's worth as much, but it's pretty impressive to see how Eller is developing. If he got better wingers/ more pp time might have more assists/ his first 20 goal season.
As a fan of both Avs and Habs I can say how pointless this stats are when it comes to compairing Eller and O'Reilly. Eller is maybe a better goalscorer, but O'Reilly is a much better playmaker, his defense is miles better than that of Eller and O'Reilly's leadership at his young age is something to behold.
More likely options:
Brassard
Filppula
Berglund
Grabovski
Roy
Gagner
Zajac - can't see it, Josefsson hasn't proven to be capable of carrying a line and Henrique's pretty young to move out any insurance - Zajac has to stay
Krejci - could happen but would cost a lot
Pavelski - could happen but will cost a lot
Stastny - at 6.6 I don't know how the Caps fit him in and the Avs would be looking for Alzner+ or Carlson back
Staal - with the uncertainty around Crosby and the Pens success with their 3 C's I can't see them moving Staal
Dubinsky - I'm sure he could be had, but he's proven to be a better winger then C, sort of like Laich.
Brassard - Is CBJ's #1 C no way he gets moved
Filppula - with Hudler being a UFA I can't see the Wings moving a C at this point
Berglund - the only way he gets dealt is for an upgrade at C so unless the Caps are willing to move Backstrom I can't see it.
Grabovski - just resigned long term with the Leafs, they can't really afford to move their only top 6 C
Roy - probably available but the price would be high
Gagner - If the Oil want Grigo in the draft I could see Sam being available for a D upgrade - Orlov.
And maybe Toronto could sweeten it somehow.
