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03-12-2012, 02:58 PM
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The D would be around 27M and the cap will be nearly 70M so there is plenty of room. If the Hawks want to continue playing with garage sale goalies then they need to beef up on D big time. Or, they will have to get an elite goalie. There is no other solution.
The point is, the Wings can trump any offer the Hawks can make and probably will.

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03-12-2012, 03:07 PM
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Yes a team that's 7th in scoring and 23rd in GA should forego defense to sign more offense.
I've stated why. We don't roll 12 defensive minded forwards, our skill lies in puck posession and puck movement. Keith/Seabs/Oduya/Leddy/Hjammer/Montador are the three most solid pairs I've seen in a long time. The Oduya signing is evidence of the type of dman we needed and we've seen how much he's brought with Toews out. If Lids retires I'm fine with Suter as a wing, the preds system will carry them to success with Suter gone, I can forsee all the "what's wrong with Suter" threads when our team defense leaves him out to dry because we don't have enough capable forwards.

Also, our problems on D, I think most of us can agree, have been with odd man rushes, dumb turnovers, underperforming Keith/Seabs, and the ignorant collapsing strategy where we give the point man time + space which only works when every forward blocks shots. Suter can't fix that either, if we signed him + and ELITE netminder..that'd be different.

There is a blueprint for success with our team, what's missing is forwards with 3 main qualities:

1. Puck control
2. Smart/quality passing
3. Capitalize on quality scoring chances

Our roster is filled with guys who can do only one or two of those things well. Kruger, Frolik, Brunette....etc. Bring back Ladd + Versteeg type guys and we're back on top.


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03-12-2012, 03:13 PM
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If Suter wants get the most money possible, he'll get $8M+ on a long term deal.

There's not much available on the UFA market this year, and if the cap goes up, they'll be a bunch of spenders with little to buy.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Wings having more money spend, that's simply becuase they have more UFA's to replace, including Lindstron and Stuart. And Quincey is a RFA, along with Helm.

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03-12-2012, 03:48 PM
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Sharp-Toews-Kane
Saad-Kruger-Hossa
Bickell-Bolland-Stalberg
Carcillo-Mayers-Jayes
Bollig/Frolik

Keith-Seabrook
Hjalmarsson-Oduya
Leddy-Montador

Crawford
Emery

OR


Sharp-Toews-Kane
Saad-Roy-Hossa
Stalberg-Bolland-Kruger
Carcillo-Mayers-Jayes
Bollig/Bickell

Keith-Seabrook
Hjalmarsson-Oduya
Leddy-Montador

Crawford
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03-12-2012, 04:23 PM
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Sharp/Toews/Hayes
Semin/Kane/Hossa
Saad/Bolland/Okposo
Carcillo/Mayers/Stalberg

Keith/Seabs
Hjam/Oduya
Leddy/Monty

Emery/Crawford

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03-12-2012, 04:30 PM
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Sharp/Toews/Hayes
Semin/Kane/Hossa
Saad/Bolland/Okposo
Carcillo/Mayers/Stalberg

Keith/Seabs
Hjam/Oduya
Leddy/Monty

Emery/Crawford
Okposo? Seriously??

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03-12-2012, 04:33 PM
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Okposo? Seriously??
Or grabner, or any good, young NHL RW that could be top six on non playoff teams.

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Or grabner, or any good, young NHL RW that could be top six on non playoff teams.
Are you aware Grabner was a Calder trophy finalist last year?? Neither of those guys will ever wear a red sweater. Too costly. To get Grabner NYI is going to want Saad++

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How do we know the cap is going up when there aren't even talks for a CBA? Think owners are going to give 57% when the NFL/NBA don't? Also....we'll probably buy out Oz so there goes roughly 1MM of the cap$.

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Are you aware Grabner was a Calder trophy finalist last year?? Neither of those guys will ever wear a red sweater. Too costly. To get Grabner NYI is going to want Saad++
I know the price, it would definitely involve some high prospects + picks, hence initial thought being Okposo and Grabner more of a pipe dream...but the point is a real RW next to Saad/Bolland would be lethal.

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I've stated why. We don't roll 12 defensive minded forwards, our skill lies in puck posession and puck movement. Keith/Seabs/Oduya/Leddy/Hjammer/Montador are the three most solid pairs I've seen in a long time. The Oduya signing is evidence of the type of dman we needed and we've seen how much he's brought with Toews out. If Lids retires I'm fine with Suter as a wing, the preds system will carry them to success with Suter gone, I can forsee all the "what's wrong with Suter" threads when our team defense leaves him out to dry because we don't have enough capable forwards.

Also, our problems on D, I think most of us can agree, have been with odd man rushes, dumb turnovers, underperforming Keith/Seabs, and the ignorant collapsing strategy where we give the point man time + space which only works when every forward blocks shots. Suter can't fix that either, if we signed him + and ELITE netminder..that'd be different.

There is a blueprint for success with our team, what's missing is forwards with 3 main qualities:

1. Puck control
2. Smart/quality passing
3. Capitalize on quality scoring chances

Our roster is filled with guys who can do only one or two of those things well. Kruger, Frolik, Brunette....etc. Bring back Ladd + Versteeg type guys and we're back on top.
No we are not, we have huge holes on D and G. Niemi was far better then either Craw or Emery. Our D needs something else other then 6 averaged size puck movers. Teams need a little bit of everything, scoring, toughness, size, speed, grit, hitting. Our teams lack that grit, size, toughness area especially our D and we need that.

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03-12-2012, 05:05 PM
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If Kruger is our 2nd line C again next year, then we are in big trouble.

Sharp - Toews - Kane
Saad - Roy - Hossa
Shaw - Bolland -Bickell
Carcillo - Mayers- Hayes
Bollig

Keith Seabs
Hammer Leddy
Oduya Montador
Olsen

Thomas
Crawford

trade Kruger + for Roy
trade Morin, Pirri & 1st for TT

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03-12-2012, 05:08 PM
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If Kruger is our 2nd line C again next year, then we are in big trouble.

Sharp - Toews - Kane
Saad - Roy - Hossa
Shaw - Bolland -Bickell
Carcillo - Mayers- Hayes
Bollig

Keith Seabs
Hammer Leddy
Oduya Montador
Olsen

Thomas
Crawford

trade Kruger + for Roy
trade Morin, Pirri & 1st for TT
I think it would take more for Roy and probably less for TT.

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03-12-2012, 05:11 PM
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No we are not, we have huge holes on D and G. Niemi was far better then either Craw or Emery. Our D needs something else other then 6 averaged size puck movers. Teams need a little bit of everything, scoring, toughness, size, speed, grit, hitting. Our teams lack that grit, size, toughness area especially our D and we need that.
So, Sopel, Campbell, Boynton and a less developed Hjammer put fear in the hearts of our opponents when we won the cup? And Niemi is, um, doing how well? Nah, Hammer is much better than he was the cup year and oduya/leddy/montador are better than sopel/boynton/campbell.

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I think it would take more for Roy and probably less for TT.
Roy would be a UFA at the end of next year, and I did say Kruger plus..not sure how much that plus needs to be.

I think Morin and Pirri are overrated prospects that other GMs dont value as high as we do. Them and a 1st is close.

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03-12-2012, 05:27 PM
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So, Sopel, Campbell, Boynton and a less developed Hjammer put fear in the hearts of our opponents when we won the cup? And Niemi is, um, doing how well? Nah, Hammer is much better than he was the cup year and oduya/leddy/montador are better than sopel/boynton/campbell.
Campbell is a Norris canidate this year, and Sopel and Boynton where better defenders. I didn't say they where intimidating, I said and will say Sopel and Boyton were better defensively they Oduya and certainly Leddy.

This team is great if the NHL where shiny hockey but in the NHL you need some size and strength on the back end. You need a balanced team the Hawks are too focused on getting all the same player not a group who can do a little bit of everything.

Niemi is out playing both of our goalies for sure.

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Roy would be a UFA at the end of next year, and I did say Kruger plus..not sure how much that plus needs to be.

I think Morin and Pirri are overrated prospects that other GMs dont value as high as we do. Them and a 1st is close.
You could probably add the first pick on the Roy trade and throw a 2nd into the Thomas deal to do it.

Although I don't want Thomas, when he retires in a year the Hawks are right back in this mess again. Would rather trade for a younger goalie we can get a least 3-4 years out of and draft a goalie in the next year or 2 to replace him.

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If Kruger is our 2nd line C again next year, then we are in big trouble.

Sharp - Toews - Kane
Saad - Roy - Hossa
Shaw - Bolland -Bickell
Carcillo - Mayers- Hayes
Bollig

Keith Seabs
Hammer Leddy
Oduya Montador
Olsen

Thomas
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trade Kruger + for Roy
trade Morin, Pirri & 1st for TT
Agree - It's needs to be addressed 1st.

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Ideally, I'd like to see this next season:

Sharpie - Tazer - Kaner
Saad - Zajac/Roy - Hoss
Stalberg - Bolland/Kruger - Carcillo
Bollig - Mayers - Burish
Frolik

Teeth - Seabs
Suter - Hammer
Oduya - Montador
(Leddy to RFD for conditioning)

Emery
Harding

Is it at all possible?

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However, realistically, we might see this:

Stalberg - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Kruger - Hossa
Saad - Bolland - Frolik
Bollig - Mayers - Carcillo

Same D

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Leddy to Rockford? Really? Even with the cap going up I'd trade Frolik. He's dead weight at this point.

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Leddy to Rockford? Really? Even with the cap going up I'd trade Frolik. He's dead weight at this point.
Who is going to take him?

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Who is going to take him?
Plenty of teams, he's young and doesn't have a terrible contract

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Campbell is a Norris canidate this year, and Sopel and Boynton where better defenders. I didn't say they where intimidating, I said and will say Sopel and Boyton were better defensively they Oduya and certainly Leddy.

This team is great if the NHL where shiny hockey but in the NHL you need some size and strength on the back end. You need a balanced team the Hawks are too focused on getting all the same player not a group who can do a little bit of everything.

Niemi is out playing both of our goalies for sure.
Boynton & Sopel > Oduya & Leddy

EDIT: Are people seriously saying to get rid of Nick Leddy?? Our 20 year old young potential top 4 d-man?? I think you've all gone crazy. Nick Leddy isn't going anywhere, neither is Kruger...get over yourselves, don't even suggest it if you know it's not happening. Be realistic for once.

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Ideally, I'd like to see this next season:

Sharpie - Tazer - Kaner
Saad - Zajac/Roy - Hoss
Stalberg - Bolland/Kruger - Carcillo
Bollig - Mayers - Burish
Frolik

Teeth - Seabs
Suter - Hammer
Oduya - Montador
(Leddy to RFD for conditioning)

Emery
Harding

Is it at all possible?
Suter, most likely not, and it would be Roy, not Zajac, if Bowman goes after a 2C.

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