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03-12-2012, 10:50 PM
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Campbell is a Norris canidate this year, and Sopel and Boynton where better defenders. I didn't say they where intimidating, I said and will say Sopel and Boyton were better defensively they Oduya and certainly Leddy.

This team is great if the NHL where shiny hockey but in the NHL you need some size and strength on the back end. You need a balanced team the Hawks are too focused on getting all the same player not a group who can do a little bit of everything.

Niemi is out playing both of our goalies for sure.

You have got to be kidding me. This is complete nonsense. Have you seen him play? Same old self. Provides great skating and not a whole lot else. Still very mediocre in his own end. What is so impressive about his season again? He's got quite a few points, 26 of which have come on the power play. When he doesn't have to play defense. The Norris trophy is not about 2nd assists on the power-play.

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Brandon Saad ($0.925m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Andrew Shaw ($0.565m) / Jason Arnott ($2.875m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.550m) / Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m)
Michael Frolik ($2.333m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($6.875m) / Nick Leddy ($1.116m)
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($5.800m)
Johnny Oduya ($3.750m) / Steve Montador ($2.750m)
Dylan Olsen ($0.870m)

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.666m) / Ray Emery ($0.600m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

SALARY CAP: $67,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,440,128; BONUSES: $730,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,059,872

I made a trade with San Jose I sent the Sharks the following two players: D. Bolland & N. Hjalmarsson and a choice of Kruger, Pirri or a Chicago 2012 or 2013 1st rounder.

We get a 2nd line center young player low cap hit. Logan Couture.

We picked up 2 free agents Jason Arnott & R. Suter.

We signed Oduya. We may have to part ways with Montador as we get close to the cap wall. Right now Montador is on my roster. I took the Salary Cap up to 67.5 million and I fall just below it.

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03-13-2012, 12:17 AM
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Frolik or Montador could be moved to free up space.

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03-13-2012, 01:33 AM
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Frolik or Montador could be moved to free up space.
Frolik had better be gone. Buyout or trade, I don't care.

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03-13-2012, 01:37 AM
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Frolik's contract is so bad that if they want him gone they'd have to outright buy him out or bury him Huet-style.

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I think Bowman will talk to Parise in the Offseason...

guys I think that will get traded
Stalberg - Will be UFA after next season and will get/demand a raise. A raise I wouldn't be willing to pay for him. Like Kopy. Trade him while he has some value
Frolik - higher Cap Hit than Salary, still young. He would be of interest for budget teams or teams that could use him as stopgap like the Ducks or Isles.

UFAs we won't bring back
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03-13-2012, 08:20 AM
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I don't know if BWC could handle Frolik not being on the team.......

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03-13-2012, 08:22 AM
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Frolik's contract is so bad that if they want him gone they'd have to outright buy him out or bury him Huet-style.
No they won't. Someone will give up something for him, probably a 3rd or 4th rounder. Teams are going to have a hard time getting to the floor and a young Frolik at 2.333M is just what the doctor ordered for those teams.

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03-13-2012, 08:23 AM
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Campbell is a Norris canidate this year, and Sopel and Boynton where better defenders. I didn't say they where intimidating, I said and will say Sopel and Boyton were better defensively they Oduya and certainly Leddy.

This team is great if the NHL where shiny hockey but in the NHL you need some size and strength on the back end. You need a balanced team the Hawks are too focused on getting all the same player not a group who can do a little bit of everything.

Niemi is out playing both of our goalies for sure.
Sopel was horrible and Boynton was worse.

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03-13-2012, 09:10 AM
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LOL @ Campbell being a Norris candidate!

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Campbell was nothing but good for the Hawks. Still glad we got rid of that contract though.

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1. UFA Centers: http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2011...-unrestricted/

UFA Dmen: http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2011...ed-defensemen/

Are roster issues will not, i repeat NOT, be solved in Free Agency. Suter and Parise would never come to Chicago. Stop kidding yourselves.

Instead of wasting cap space on signing bottom pairing guys like Brian Allen and Hal Gill, we should save that $$$ and cap space so we can give Hammer, Bolland, Leddy, Stalberg, and most importantly TOEWS AND KANE their raises in the next few years. Unless these UFA's are only signed until 2013-2014, i dont want them. None of them fill the Hawks needs sufficiently enough to justify acquiring them.

2. There's no gurantee on the talent level of Kruger, Leddy, or Saad. Saad especially. I dont see why people are penciling him into our lineup. I do think that Leddy will improve a lot next year, and every year for the next 7 years, Kruger will likely have some improvements next season, but nothing drastic.

3. I think the whole basis of this thread is flawed. Considering the realistic possibilities of filling the 2C spot with something worthwhile are slim to none, Hawks fans have to resign themselves to the fact that our roster is not going to get noticeably better. Maybe we can find some depth wingers or an Adam Burish, but outside of that i wouldn't expect much.

Our problems are more systematic than roster related.

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No they won't. Someone will give up something for him, probably a 3rd or 4th rounder. Teams are going to have a hard time getting to the floor and a young Frolik at 2.333M is just what the doctor ordered for those teams.
Yup. Doesn't have a place on this team, but does on other teams.

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03-13-2012, 10:26 AM
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No they won't. Someone will give up something for him, probably a 3rd or 4th rounder. Teams are going to have a hard time getting to the floor and a young Frolik at 2.333M is just what the doctor ordered for those teams.
I think this is accurate. There is a huge difference between 3 million a year and 3 years like Olesz and 2.3m a year and 2 years like Frolik. Unfortunately, I think he will be worth a 5th rounder.

Olesz may even be worth something once another year is shaved off his contract.

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03-13-2012, 10:38 AM
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1. UFA Centers: http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2011...-unrestricted/

UFA Dmen: http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2011...ed-defensemen/

Are roster issues will not, i repeat NOT, be solved in Free Agency. Suter and Parise would never come to Chicago. Stop kidding yourselves.

Instead of wasting cap space on signing bottom pairing guys like Brian Allen and Hal Gill, we should save that $$$ and cap space so we can give Hammer, Bolland, Leddy, Stalberg, and most importantly TOEWS AND KANE their raises in the next few years. Unless these UFA's are only signed until 2013-2014, i dont want them. None of them fill the Hawks needs sufficiently enough to justify acquiring them.

2. There's no gurantee on the talent level of Kruger, Leddy, or Saad. Saad especially. I dont see why people are penciling him into our lineup. I do think that Leddy will improve a lot next year, and every year for the next 7 years, Kruger will likely have some improvements next season, but nothing drastic.

3. I think the whole basis of this thread is flawed. Considering the realistic possibilities of filling the 2C spot with something worthwhile are slim to none, Hawks fans have to resign themselves to the fact that our roster is not going to get noticeably better. Maybe we can find some depth wingers or an Adam Burish, but outside of that i wouldn't expect much.

Our problems are more systematic than roster related.
What give Bolland and Hjammer raises? I say move them out together in one deal and then you have a 2nd line center. Then add the best available defenseman out of the UFA's a guy better than Hjalmarsson. This fills two holes the offense improves as does the defense. I'm for players getting raises that deserve them. Toews is going to be 8 million a year. Kane may get a raise, but 500,000 or 750,000 not a 1 million raise for Kane.

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03-13-2012, 10:42 AM
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What give Bolland and Hjammer raises? I say move them out together in one deal and then you have a 2nd line center. Then add the best available defenseman out of the UFA's a guy better than Hjalmarsson. This fills two holes the offense improves as does the defense. I'm for players getting raises that deserve them. Toews is going to be 8 million a year. Kane may get a raise, but 500,000 or 750,000 not a 1 million raise for Kane.
Which UFA Dman is better than Hammer?

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we need to think outside Hjammer & Bolland as the core

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Which UFA Dman is better than Hammer?
Suter and if we do not get serious about him Detroit will.

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FORWARDS
Brandon Saad ($0.925m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Andrew Shaw ($0.565m) / Jason Arnott ($2.875m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.550m) / Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m)
/ Brandon Bollig ($0.545m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.875m) / Brent Seabrook ($5.800m)
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Nick Leddy ($1.116m)
Johnny Oduya ($3.750m) / Dylan Olsen ($0.870m)
/ Chris Campoli ($1.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($4.250m) / Ray Emery ($0.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,385,128; BONUSES: $730,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,114,872




I made a trade with San Jose I sent the Sharks the following two players: D. Bolland & N. Hjalmarsson and a choice of Kruger, Pirri or a Chicago 2012 or 2013 1st rounder.

We get a 2nd line center young player low cap hit. Logan Couture.

We picked up 2 free agents Jason Arnott & R. Suter.

We signed Oduya. We may have to part ways with Montador.

Vokoun was signed and replaces Crawford


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03-13-2012, 12:13 PM
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Suter for 6.85? Are you serious? He'll get $7.75 EASILY if not 8.

Keep dreaming pal

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I don't have ESPN Insider, but this tweet seems pretty big.

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Plus, Stan Bowman is committed to Patrick Kane at center for the long haul & will consider new deal for Ray Emery. es.pn/yvdcRo ($)

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Suter for 6.85? Are you serious? He'll get $7.75 EASILY if not 8.

Keep dreaming pal
Hey buddy why is Duncan Keith's contract a cap hit of 5.538 a season when he is making 7.9m a year? A: Because the deal is structured that way.

Suter can be signed to his 7.9 million like D. Keith and if it is structured into a career deal his cap hit at 6.85 nobody ever said he was not worth 8m or would not get 8 million.

I will say this the Blackhawks have a shot at him and they can afford him.

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Hey buddy why is Duncan Keith's contract a cap hit of 5.538 a season when he is making 7.9m a year? A: Because the deal is structured that way.

Suter can be signed to his 7.9 million like D. Keith and if it is structured into a career deal his cap hit at 6.85 nobody ever said he was not worth 8m or would not get 8 million.

I will say this the Blackhawks have a shot at him and they can afford him.
The NHL has come out and made a big deal about cap circumventing contracts. Maybe you missed that. There's a good chance that Keith deal wouldn't have been allowed if it was signed today.

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Hey buddy why is Duncan Keith's contract a cap hit of 5.538 a season when he is making 7.9m a year? A: Because the deal is structured that way.

Suter can be signed to his 7.9 million like D. Keith and if it is structured into a career deal his cap hit at 6.85 nobody ever said he was not worth 8m or would not get 8 million.

I will say this the Blackhawks have a shot at him and they can afford him.
Look friend, why would Suter sign with Chicago over Nashville and Detroit? Looking forward to July 2nd when Suter doesn't sign with the Hawks and people want Bowman's head for no reason.

There wont be anymore superstar players signed to Kovalchuck/Hossa deals. The Devils got fined a 1st rounder for circumvention only because it was a newer precedent. If the Hawks pulled that same move today the NHL wouldn't allow the signing.

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I don't have ESPN Insider, but this tweet seems pretty big.

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Plus, Stan Bowman is committed to Patrick Kane at center for the long haul & will consider new deal for Ray Emery. es.pn/yvdcRo ($)
It's become comical watching the way this team is run nowadays. It's hard not to laugh as this organization swirls down the toliet. Bowman can't get a center -or- is too cheap to trade for one so his answer is: "I'll take my ball and go home. We'll just put Kane at center" The goaltending has been a disgrace all year so his answer is: "Let's consider bringing the same tandem back"

You've got to try really, really hard to ruin an organization like this and Stan does it like it is second nature. He is the stupidest GM in the NHL. The team would go a hell of a lot further with Mike Milbury.

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I have no issue with bringing Emery back. it's bringing Crawford back that I don't want to see.

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