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03-12-2012, 02:49 PM
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Ryan Smyth

Read this: Ryan Smyth is getting screwed by the Oilers (again)

And then comment as needed.

I think it is BS. x 1000000000. Sign the man and treat him as he deserved to be treated. The Oilers need to become a classy organisation. With this type of BS, they will never be.

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I'm actually sick of this crap already. People are talking as if this is Gretzky in his prime.

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1. It bothers me that our organization is loyal to players after they retire (lowe, macT...) but not while they are playing

2. That being said, it's not a big deal. You know those 16 teams that will be playing in the playoffs? Yeah, we'll be sitting on our *****. You can talk contracts then.

3. I have no worries that Smyth will be resigned.

4. Obligatory "Management is incompetent"

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This isn't exactly Curtis Glencross we're talking here...

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They have until July 1. I don't see the rush.

The longer they wait and Smyth continues to play like junk, the more favorable the contract.

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Am I the only Oiler fan who wouldn't be too sad to see Smyth not re-signed?

He's only going to get slower and the way our team identity should be built, I don't see him fitting in great in our top 6. I'd like to see a fast, physical bottom six.

If he does re-sign, it better be for one year.

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I was fine with the Hemsky signing at the time but not if it means the Oil are going to screw around Smyth, Gagner on negotiations.

This is twice now that Hemsky got the quick painless deal and Smyth is left to hang.

W T F?

Smyth has delivered as much or more as people would reasonably expect and was arguably the best player on the club till Christmas.

Not even an offer? Hope that isn't true.

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They have until July 1. I don't see the rush.

The longer they wait and Smyth continues to play like junk, the more favorable the contract.
Although in fairness this should be the case with coaching and management as well.

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Am I the only Oiler fan who wouldn't be too sad to see Smyth not re-signed?

He's only going to get slower and the way our team identity should be built, I don't see him fitting in great in our top 6. I'd like to see a fast, physical bottom six.

If he does re-sign, it better be for one year.
This. After November, Smyth has been dreadful most of the time, with flashes here and there. His moves aren't working anymore and he's usually a step behind the play.

A 2.5/1yr deal would be fine. Anything more than that would be a vast overpayment for someone who doesn't fit into the top 6.

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I was fine with the Hemsky signing at the time but not if it means the Oil are going to screw around Smyth, Gagner on negotiations.

This is twice now that Hemsky got the quick painless deal and Smyth is left to hang.

W T F?

Smyth has delivered as much or more as people would reasonably expect and was arguably the best player on the club till Christmas.

Not even an offer? Hope that isn't true.
This means nothing to me. Gregor made a big ****ing deal about Hemsky not having an offer, how'd that end up?

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It's March. Let's cry about Smyth not having an offer in June.

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This means nothing to me. Gregor made a big ****ing deal about Hemsky not having an offer, how'd that end up?
Yeah, I'm not trying to jump the gun and ***** about anything but its a monday..

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Signing him now means they pencil him into next season's line-up prematurely. The Oilers are doing the right thing waiting until the off-season. As it stands, the Oilers are going to need to make changes to this team in the summer to move this team in the right direction. Whether or not it involves Ryan Smyth as a top-6 forward, bottom-6 forward or not at all is yet to be foreseen. Anything can happen in the offseason.

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Yeah, I'm not trying to jump the gun and ***** about anything but its a monday..
I'm just pissed off about the article. Wanye isn't exactly a source of information and we just went through this a few weeks ago with Hemsky.

I'm not ready to slam ST as I'm waiting until next year, but this will just be another bullet against him that I'll have to read about.

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Might not be urgent for the team, but it shows respect for the player to not leave them hanging.

The org. have shown themselves in several instances to be poor communicators (Quinn, Souray, Hemsky, even Nuge about whether he was staying or not this year)

I imagine it is frustrating for those working for them and they need to figure out keeping players happy is huge in today's league.

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This is twice now that Hemsky got the quick painless deal and Smyth is left to hang.
I want to see Smyth resigned, but this may speak more to Hemsky making it quick and painless. Meanwhile, Smitty has constantly been an active participant in making his signings with the Oilers slow and painful.

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I was fine with the Hemsky signing at the time but not if it means the Oil are going to screw around Smyth, Gagner on negotiations.
Difference between Hemsky and Smyth is that it was pretty clear that if the Oilers and Hemsky did not come to an agreement before the deadline he would be traded. No ifs, ands or buts about it. With Smyth, it was made quite clear by Tambellini that he would not be traded. Hemsky needed a new deal because they had to make a decision on him.

Difference between Hemsky and Gagner is that Gagner is an RFA. There is likely no rush for him or the Oilers to get a contract done. I believe Gagner is eligible for arbitration this season (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and that might be something that both he and the Oilers would consider doing.

I'm not concerned about this at all. There is months before this needs to become an issue.

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I have no problem with no offer being made at this point in time. As soon as the season ends though they need to assess things and make an offer at that time. The guy is our 3rd leading scorer and has played all games and wants to be here. We should do our best to sign him.

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Am I the only Oiler fan who wouldn't be too sad to see Smyth not re-signed?

He's only going to get slower and the way our team identity should be built, I don't see him fitting in great in our top 6. I'd like to see a fast, physical bottom six.

If he does re-sign, it better be for one year.
Probably. But I've got some pretty serious bias

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Am I the only Oiler fan who wouldn't be too sad to see Smyth not re-signed?

He's only going to get slower and the way our team identity should be built, I don't see him fitting in great in our top 6. I'd like to see a fast, physical bottom six.

If he does re-sign, it better be for one year.
I wouldn't be all that upset either. Since his awesome start, he has looked very old. When injuries starting happening, he actually got worse, not better. I'm torn whether I want him back next year or not. I imagine management is as well. I think a 1 year deal will eventually get worked out, but I imagine they want to see what happens at the draft at least first.

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Might not be urgent for the team, but it shows respect for the player to not leave them hanging.

The org. have shown themselves in several instances to be poor communicators (Quinn, Souray, Hemsky, even Nuge about whether he was staying or not this year)

I imagine it is frustrating for those working for them and they need to figure out keeping players happy is huge in today's league.
You ain't lyin... I never liked the way management handled
players in the past.. No class..

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Its smarter to wait until the end of the season to resign him. Smyttys production was insane at the first half of the season. If we resigned him then he would command a bigger salary. With the way hes struggling down the stretch it puts the Oilers in a better position to get a smaller contract extension signed as opposed to paying out early. Tambo knows what hes doing.

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1 year deal with 2mil base salary and 2-3mil in bonuses.

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Let him verbally know that he will be an Oiler in the fall.

Sign him any time during the summer. Each summer. 1 year terms, until he decides to retire. Let him know when he does decide to retire, there is a front office job waiting for him.

:/

Ya think that's maybe how it's panned out? Detroit does the same thing with their players.




BTW Smyth is no longer the heart and soul of this team. That much should be obvious. Signing him is a sentimental PR move, because he really has no spot in this organization as a player going forward.

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Let him verbally know that he will be an Oiler in the fall.

Sign him any time during the summer. Each summer. 1 year terms, until he decides to retire. Let him know when he does decide to retire, there is a front office job waiting for him.

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Ya think that's maybe how it's panned out? Detroit does the same thing with their players.




BTW Smyth is no longer the heart and soul of this team. That much should be obvious. Signing him is a sentimental PR move, because he really has no spot in this organization as a player going forward.
But that would be smart, classy, good for the player and the team so no way it happens.

Probably end up signing for either too long or too much or will get jerked around by managment

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