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Yes, it's that time of the year again. Millions of proposals heavily favouring the Leafs will be posted every day. Don't let it upset you. Just accept it.
OK, so if Toronto adds a couple of firsts the value would be fair, but there's still no way the Kings would do it.
You can't be serious.. lmao a couple of firsts? As I mentioned earlier about the THN article for the top 50 players that was a poll of 150 NHLers I didn't even realize. Five NHLer's from each team and Kessel was rated 14 spots ahead of Kopitar. Now I agree Kopitar is a better all around player but there's no doubting who the better goal scorer is. And I also agree Kopitar has more value than Kessel that's why I included Schenn. Who btw had plenty of interest come trade deadline day. A couple of firsts LOL, take off the anti-Leaf goggles.
Also all these people saying we're filling a hole and creating another one. Leafs are drafting possibly in the top 5 this year. There are 3 forwards that play wing in the top 5. Forsberg, Grigorenko, Yakupov... (Grigorenko seems to be having most his success on the wing as what I've read said he's horrible on faceoffs). Obviously Yakupov is out of the question unless we win the lottery but the other two could be well in reach.
if we're trading Kessel for a #1 center i'd rather target E.Staal or Getzlaf. Some people think it might be a lateral move trading Kessel for a #1C but not me. You can build around a center. You can't build around a scoring winger.
To Los Angeles - MacArthur, Kadri, Rynnas & 2nd in 2012
- I knew LA wouldn't trade their captain mid season especially in the middle of a playoff push. However, in the offseason it is completely different. If we look at the offensive production MacArthur in the past 2 seasons has accumulated 99 points in 144 games. Where as Brown has 100 points 151 games the past two seasons. So the production is similar and the age is the same. However, Brown has a much higher ceiling. So the breakdown for the deal is MacArthur and Kadri for Brown and Rynnas and a 2nd in 2012 for Bernier. If you look at Ben Bishop who was touted as the best goalie not playing in the NHL and he went for a 2nd round draft pick. Rynnas is a good goalie prospect and help fills a depth chart for Los Angeles as well as a high 2nd round pick for them to draft any other positional needs for the future.
To Toronto - Bernier & Brown
I don't think Bernier is a solution in Toronto for goaltending especially because he has less games played then James Reimer. However, Bernier has way more valuable in a trade for Toronto to acquire a number 1 proven NHL goalie.
- Brown gives Toronto a more physical forward one who fits both Burke and Carlyle's style of hockey.
To Los Angeles - MacArthur, Kadri, Rynnas & 2nd in 2012
- I knew LA wouldn't trade their captain mid season especially in the middle of a playoff push. However, in the offseason it is completely different. If we look at the offensive production MacArthur in the past 2 seasons has accumulated 99 points in 144 games. Where as Brown has 100 points 151 games the past two seasons. So the production is similar and the age is the same. However, Brown has a much higher ceiling. So the breakdown for the deal is MacArthur and Kadri for Brown and Rynnas and a 2nd in 2012 for Bernier. If you look at Ben Bishop who was touted as the best goalie not playing in the NHL and he went for a 2nd round draft pick. Rynnas is a good goalie prospect and help fills a depth chart for Los Angeles as well as a high 2nd round pick for them to draft any other positional needs for the future.
To Toronto - Bernier & Brown
I don't think Bernier is a solution in Toronto for goaltending especially because he has less games played then James Reimer. However, Bernier has way more valuable in a trade for Toronto to acquire a number 1 proven NHL goalie.
- Brown gives Toronto a more physical forward one who fits both Burke and Carlyle's style of hockey.
Thoughts?
Counter:
To LA: Kessel
To Leafs: Greene, Nolan, Richardson, 2nd round pick
The trade with Brown in there is insulting to both leaf's fans (that they have a fan that would offer that), and to Kings fans (saying our players values have decreased that amount).
As far as the original trade LA does not need another defensman.
Kessle, Colborne, 1st and 2nd For Kopitar and choice of Martinez or Drewiski.
After Semin and Parise who both will get 5 million plus in the summer time its a very weak UFA pool for wingers too. Without moving some salary they wont be able to afford a top six winger. I didnt think they were starved for defensemen either until I looked at their depth chart and I saw there was Doughty and a bunch of vets in their mid 30s. Luke Schenn would definitely be an upgrade. Thank you for feedback though.
You might want to go back and retake a look at their depth chart. The only two D on the team older than 30 are Scuderi and Mitchell. The rest are all 28 or younger with 3 of them being under 25.
You can't be serious.. lmao a couple of firsts? As I mentioned earlier about the THN article for the top 50 players that was a poll of 150 NHLers I didn't even realize. Five NHLer's from each team and Kessel was rated 14 spots ahead of Kopitar. Now I agree Kopitar is a better all around player but there's no doubting who the better goal scorer is. And I also agree Kopitar has more value than Kessel that's why I included Schenn. Who btw had plenty of interest come trade deadline day. A couple of firsts LOL, take off the anti-Leaf goggles.
Well, Kessel may have a slight edge, but his highest goal total is 36 (should be higher this year) and Kopitar's is 34. Its pretty close.
As for your proposal, I think it would be better to hang onto Kessel and draft a center this year if possible. It's not like Kessel is in the twilight of his career, he can grow along with the drafted centerman.
The trade with Brown in there is insulting to both leaf's fans (that they have a fan that would offer that), and to Kings fans (saying our players values have decreased that amount).
As far as the original trade LA does not need another defensman.
Kessle, Colborne, 1st and 2nd For Kopitar and choice of Martinez or Drewiski.
How exactly is the Brown trade insulting? If you are going to make a statement at least give explanation why? People deflate Leafs value just as much as people as Leafs fans inflate them. Kadri is still consider an A prospect and MacArthur's production is equal to Brown. Trading an unproven goaltender in Bernier for more then a Goalie prospect and a 2nd round pick is ridiculous. The only back up goalie in the NHL that will get more is Schnider but no team will move heaven and earth for unproven goalie talent.
To Los Angeles - MacArthur, Kadri, Rynnas & 2nd in 2012
To Toronto - Bernier & Brown
If LA doesn't make the playoffs then a shape up in that locker room is likely. Richards seems to be in line for the captaincy in that room. Brown is expendable IMO. MacArthur's production is the same as Browns. Deal isn't so unrealistic
Only a Leafs homer would think that is fair value for Dustin Brown. The Kings have no need for Rynnas or Kadri and Dustin Brown has more of a proven track record and provides more on the ice than Clarke MacArthur.
If LA doesn't make the playoffs then a shape up in that locker room is likely. Richards seems to be in line for the captaincy in that room. Brown is expendable IMO. MacArthur's production is the same as Browns. Deal isn't so unrealistic
Deal is unrealistic. Browns dont get traded for MacArthurs and pieces. Nice try
Only a Leafs homer would think that is fair value for Dustin Brown. The Kings have no need for Rynnas or Kadri and Dustin Brown has more of a proven track record and provides more on the ice than Clarke MacArthur.
at the end that was a joke.
, sorry Anze all in good fun.
