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As a Flames fan I would have been happy with a 2nd round pick for Bourque. I don't think anything more than a late 1st round pick is realistic.
I could see teams that need to make the cap floor or teams looking lacking top six talent in general being interested. Maybe the Islanders. I think Bourque could thrive playing next to Tavares (30+ goals).
I don't think Bourque's contract is too bad. 3.5 million is about right for an inconsistent top six forward. This season Bourque has been more like a 4th liner though.
Also, I personally don't see the need to turn this thread into a Cammalleri vs. Bourque / Calgary vs. Montreal discussion.
Lets not forget that we have traded Cammalleri for Bourque, and as far as i know, Cammalleri is not doing much better than Bourque. Yes he is under-acheiveing what i expected, but it is the same for the majority of that team. Let's wait till next year and then will see!
I don't know much about Cammi's attitude or whether it was an issue or not but when he played with AK/Pleks/Cammi they worked well as a unit.
The problem in Montreal the last few years has been the Gomez/Gionta line and Martin and later RC would break up the AK/Pleks/Cammi line to try and kickstart the black hole combo and the whole team would struggle, lose confidence and then descend further into the black hole.
Cammi's done in Montreal but it wasn't his fault.
Gionta? He has scored goals at a better pace than Cammy the last three years. Gomez has been crap, but Gionta's been okay other than this year where he played injured for awhile.
He also supplies leadership and is defensively responsible, things Cammy lacks.
On a whole he's been much better bang for the buck than Cammy.
Last edited by Psycho Papa Joe: 03-16-2012 at 07:49 AM.
Uhh? Cammy has been pretty good since the trade and much better than Bourque would you seriously not do a Cammy for Bourque swap?
Montreal doesn't have an iginla to carry him like a baby and feed him one timers all night long. Don't want him back. Bourque at worst is a third line 20 goal depth player. Couldn't care less.
Montreal doesn't have an iginla to carry him like a baby and feed him one timers all night long. Don't want him back. Bourque at worst is a third line 20 goal depth player. Couldn't care less.
Cammy hasn't been fed many one times from Iginla at all in his time with Calgary, so I dunno where you're getting that from.
Uhh? Cammy has been pretty good since the trade and much better than Bourque would you seriously not do a Cammy for Bourque swap?
Bourqe doing nothing > cammy doing nothing
i was someone who really liked cammy, until this one period in either dec or early jan where i saw him on the ice pretending to care about his defensive rsponsibilities.. it was like being on a 4v5 but we had 5 players (if u included cammy)
trade stinks to date, but imho cammy is a floater who didn't fit in on a team like the habs who had too many small soft players in top 6. not only that but i think his days of 80+ game years are over. he hasn't been healthy in 3 years. i think his size, age are becoming a little bit of an issue
For how much our team sucks and how no one outside of pacs, dd, cole and Price does anything, I think he's fit in nicely. He throws a hit, blocks a shot, scored the occasional goal. He kills penalties and mostly before had no pp time while he, plekance and White seem to be the 3rd line when theyre better than Gomez and whatever duo he gets paired with.
To trade Bourque would be pretty dumb. He and Eller seemed to be getting some chemistry going, but then lines get changed.
He has 0 hits in 7 of his last 13 games
He had 0 shots on goal in 6 of his last 13 games
Where are you getting the bolded from.
It would be nice if he actually did those things, but most nights he's completely invisible on the ice.
Habs fans are being way too hard on Cammalleri in general, IMHO. Yeah, he sucked this year. But it wasn't *that* long a stretch of suckage, and he at least had past moments of glory for us. Esp. in the playoffs. For sure Cammalleri >> Bourque. Whatever faint hopes we might have had of getting something out of Bourque that might approach equalization have been pretty thoroughly dashed thus far. But moving the big contract and getting the pick and Holland could still pan out. Bourque himself could bounceback too. It's not like a totally closed book. But the return hasn't quite been what Gauthier was selling, anyway, whether he actually believed that or not.
Habs fans are being way too hard on Cammalleri in general, IMHO. Yeah, he sucked this year. But it wasn't *that* long a stretch of suckage, and he at least had past moments of glory for us. Esp. in the playoffs. For sure Cammalleri >> Bourque. Whatever faint hopes we might have had of getting something out of Bourque that might approach equalization have been pretty thoroughly dashed thus far. But moving the big contract and getting the pick and Holland could still pan out. Bourque himself could bounceback too. It's not like a totally closed book. But the return hasn't quite been what Gauthier was selling, anyway, whether he actually believed that or not.
someone playing bad hockey > someone pretending to play hockey
I think Bourque will be better next year. He is just not the type to mesh with Plekanec, and Plekanec's line in general has been unsuccessful all season anyways. I don't even think Bourque has been able to play with Gionta on that line (injured) so it's basically been a revolving door of wingers, most of whom should not really be a on a top.
Ideally I would like to see the Habs pickup a sniper for Plekanec-Gionta's left wing (kind of have a hunch Semin could work), that could leave Bourque as an offensive 3rd liner on perhaps a line of Bourque-Eller- Lebclanc/Geoffrion? Could work out, worst case scenario it becomes a defensive checking focused line.
someone playing bad hockey > someone pretending to play hockey
that's why Bourque > Cammy
See, that's what I mean. There's no objective reality-based basis for anybody ever posting that "Bourque > Cammy". It's just the collective venom of Habs fans that developed towards Cammy this year based on his (relatively brief) period of suckage.
See, that's what I mean. There's no objective reality-based basis for anybody ever posting that "Bourque > Cammy". It's just the collective venom of Habs fans that developed towards Cammy this year based on his (relatively brief) period of suckage.
nah, im a cammy supporter, bourque is better though
someone playing bad hockey > someone pretending to play hockey
that's why Bourque > Cammy
Have you watched Bourque for a whole game, there's a guy pretending to play hockey. For the most part he just coasts around the ice and does a whole lot of nothing except for the 60 seconds each game where he's motivated.
As much as I liked part of Bourque's game when he actually showed up, he doesn't show up enough to help a team win considtantly.
nah, im a cammy supporter, bourque is better though
Based on what?
Mike Cammalleri had 9 Goals and 22 Points in 38 Games for the Habs this season, and a -6 rating. Yet he was run out of town and heavily criticized by your fan base.
Rene Bourque has 4 goals and 7 points in 27 games for the habs this season, and a -16 rating. Yet it is because the entire Canadiens roster is struggling?.
Lets face the facts here, Rene Bourque has not played the two way game that had made him so successful two and a half seasons ago. Calgary gets the better offensive player with a shorter term, while Montreal gets a player with a lesser cap hit and a draft pick.
There were incentives for both teams to make this trade, and Bourque supposedly being the better play was not one of them.
He has 0 hits in 7 of his last 13 games
He had 0 shots on goal in 6 of his last 13 games
Where are you getting the bolded from.
It would be nice if he actually did those things, but most nights he's completely invisible on the ice.
Where are you getting those ? NHL.com The same site that has Matt Martin at like 400 hits ?
Each arena considers a hit differently from the next. Also, hitting a post doesn't count as a shot.
He's not going to kill people and he's only slightly become more involved in the game.
Is he playing well ? No. Is he playing like we should get rid of him this summer ? I'd agree, but our team sucks and everyone outside the top line sucks this season.
Where's the trade Subban threads again ? He's sucked for most of the season. Plekanec, too.
He came over to a ****** team with most of their players hurt and his linemates switch more than Ron Jeremy's partners. Come Christmas time/ January if he's still playing like this, then I'll be all for getting rid of him.
Before he use to skate away from scrums. Now, he actually gets involved a little.
Not sure why people say Bourque is the better of him and Cammy...
Basically since he got hurt about two years ago he hasn't been the same player, and it's pretty much because he plays scared now. Scared of getting hurt, which isn't exactly unreasonable considering he has had quite a few injuries. He no longer uses his size, doesn't forecheck or PK like he used to, but for a time he could still put up points.
It's very possible he could still put up mid 20's goals and about 50 points, it's probably likely to be honest, but he's not the same player.
In the end, what matters for both fanbases is that most Habs fans are glad Cammy is gone, and most Calgary fans are happy to have him. Most Habs fans are happy to have Bourque instead, and most Calgary fans are glad he's gone. They both have their warts.
Have you watched Bourque for a whole game, there's a guy pretending to play hockey. For the most part he just coasts around the ice and does a whole lot of nothing except for the 60 seconds each game where he's motivated.
As much as I liked part of Bourque's game when he actually showed up, he doesn't show up enough to help a team win considtantly.
when he doesn't show up, he goes through the motions.. cammy would fake going through the motions.
I think la would be interested at the draft or after the ufa major signings ( provided no mircle parise or semin or doan etc ) I think sutter would know how to use and motivate him. i could see him on the 3rd line sometimes moving up to play with carter and richards What would montreal be after from la lewis or richardson maybe
Even with Cammy hurt, I think most Flames fans would take Cammy over Bourque. I am a Flames fan/Habs hater and still want Bourque to play well, as he does show flashes of brilliance and seems like a decent guy. Unfortunately (for Habs fans), he has been extremely inconsistent his entire career. It won't change next year. You may get those 25-30 goals, but very few will be the type that changes the outcome of a game.
Even with Cammy hurt, I think most Flames fans would take Cammy over Bourque. I am a Flames fan/Habs hater and still want Bourque to play well, as he does show flashes of brilliance and seems like a decent guy. Unfortunately (for Habs fans), he has been extremely inconsistent his entire career. It won't change next year. You may get those 25-30 goals, but very few will be the type that changes the outcome of a game.
At this point, I'd be satisfied if we got a 15-goal season out of Bourque next year. He has not yet looked like the kind of player who could possibly threaten for more than that as a Hab. (In fact, to be less charitable, he looks rather worse than that).
Are there any players/player types he has had chemistry with in the past? So far he isn't clicking at all with anybody.
He had chemistry with Langkow back in 09-10. I'm not sure if Langkow will want to leave Phoenix though after the season. A couple years ago the Flames did a segment with him and he basically said he wanted to stay in Calgary. He may not want to move his family again.
