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03-13-2012, 03:38 PM
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Good lord.

Well I'm an Oilers/Chargers fan so I think I have the most arrogant management combination.
This is why I'm a Yankees fan. I cant handle all this losing!

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03-13-2012, 03:44 PM
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Bingo.

Look at the rumored players who are pissed.

Smid and Hemsky was pissed. Hall was hard on himself. Eberle called out players.


Yet Horcoff is silent. Even rumored he is silent.

His only peep we heard was "I don't like losing like this" or something like that.

The veteran leaders on this team is ****ing pathetic. Hands down the worst leadership core in the NHL.
Gregor tweeted this about Horcoff today in regards to this issue:

Horcoff admits there has been some bickering on bench amongst guys and they addressed. Team needs to get on same page he said.

Nothing earth shattering but your typical Horcoff. Just stay the course, captain took care of it.

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Oh, it will. You just might not like the alternative.

Like I said earlier this year, the return of Lowe as GM is inevitable.
I'm also thinking this is what will happen.I'm scared to be honest. He's the one that signed fail coff. That contract had haunted the oilers since he signed it.


Also no, tambo can't take all the fall. everyone is at fault. Tambo for not making good enough changes, renney for his questionable decisions, and the players for falling to execute. We have all seen what happens when the oilers play the system, they played almost flawless games at the beginning.

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03-13-2012, 03:49 PM
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Gregor tweeted this about Horcoff today in regards to this issue:

Horcoff admits there has been some bickering on bench amongst guys and they addressed. Team needs to get on same page he said.

Nothing earth shattering but your typical Horcoff. Just stay the course, captain took care of it.
What would you like to hear? What words would help you sleep at night?

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03-13-2012, 03:55 PM
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Oh, it will. You just might not like the alternative.

Like I said earlier this year, the return of Lowe as GM is inevitable.
Good point.

How did things get this bad...I thought Katz was supposed to bring in a new and improved Era of Oilers hockey with his arrival.

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03-13-2012, 03:59 PM
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to be honest, if i didn't read the OP though, i thought this was an arena thread and that the dressing room literally collapsed

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03-13-2012, 04:01 PM
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Gregor tweeted this about Horcoff today in regards to this issue:

Horcoff admits there has been some bickering on bench amongst guys and they addressed. Team needs to get on same page he said.

Nothing earth shattering but your typical Horcoff. Just stay the course, captain took care of it.
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What would you like to hear? What words would help you sleep at night?
Agreed. What do you want to hear Horcoff say? What do you expect him to actually say publicly?

I don't like Horcoff anymore than anyone else here, but it's ridiculous seeing posters pull criticism from within their ass.

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03-13-2012, 04:02 PM
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Good point.

How did things get this bad...I thought Katz was supposed to bring in a new and improved Era of Oilers hockey with his arrival.
Mr. Moneybags came along seven years (did he buy the team in 07 or 08... I can't remember) too late. If he was the owner back when Guerin and Weight needed new contracts we would be a lot happier today.

This organization is always in the wrong place at the wrong time. The pieces for success are never in sync.

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03-13-2012, 04:04 PM
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Agreed. What do you want to hear Horcoff say? What do you expect him to actually say publicly?

I don't like Horcoff anymore than anyone else here, but it's ridiculous seeing posters pull criticism from within their ass.
Oh I dunno. Maybe show the slightest hint of emotion that his hockey club has yet another effortless loss.

Or maybe accept some of the responsibility that his play needs improving so he can lead the team to more desirable results?

Or is it too much to ask for him accept responsibility or show a hint of frustration at being a lottery team for the 3rd year in a row?

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03-13-2012, 04:07 PM
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Mr. Moneybags came along seven years (did he buy the team in 07 or 08... I can't remember) too late. If he was the owner back when Guerin and Weight needed new contracts we would be a lot happier today.

This organization is always in the wrong place at the wrong time. The pieces for success are never in sync.
The concern for me is that Katz has been too busy being a fan boy and not busy enough making tough decisions.

The fact that he felt Lowe was worthy of a promotion after the mess he created is the foundation of failure. Now if Tambo gets fired (which he won't) then Lowe likely takes over.

What a nut house.

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I wonder if this is why they had a "team meeting" last week?

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03-13-2012, 04:11 PM
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Oh I dunno. Maybe show the slightest hint of emotion that his hockey club has yet another effortless loss.

Or maybe accept some of the responsibility that his play needs improving so he can lead the team to more desirable results?

Or is it too much to ask for him accept responsibility or show a hint of frustration at being a lottery team for the 3rd year in a row?
In public? To what end? Would it change anything of consequence?

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Oh I dunno. Maybe show the slightest hint of emotion that his hockey club has yet another effortless loss.

Or maybe accept some of the responsibility that his play needs improving so he can lead the team to more desirable results?

Or is it too much to ask for him accept responsibility or show a hint of frustration at being a lottery team for the 3rd year in a row?
IMO the captain should work inwards and not single out players/managment to the press. Others will take care of that but one of the main tasks of Horc should be trying to keep the group together. If he starts throwing blame around he's done as C imo.

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In public? To what end? Would it change anything of consequence?
You notice Hall had the balls to call himself out on national TV yesterday?

Maybe he was just doing it to be a ***** to Horcoff or whoever, but why can't someone step up and call themself out?

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anyone have links to audio/video of the eberle comment?

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You notice Hall had the balls to call himself out on national TV yesterday?

Maybe he was just doing it to be a ***** to Horcoff or whoever, but why can't someone step up and call themself out?
The question remains: what difference does it make?

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You know who steps up and honestly assess themselves?


Leaders.

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In public? To what end? Would it change anything of consequence?
It would show some responsibility.

It would show that as a captain, he knows these results aren't respectable.

And would it change anything of consequence? Overall? Probably not, but it may just do what leadership does, and may lead other players to work harder. It may tell the rest of the team that this sort of play is unacceptable.

Or hell, maybe just maybe it could lead certain players to have better results (ie how guys like Hartnell called out Ilya around the all star break, and then they had a team meeting with Ilya and he's stepped his play up).

Leadership is a multiplier that can't really be measured. We don't have it, and it's clearly showing.

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anyone have links to audio/video of the eberle comment?
Tencer's Twitter.

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The question remains: what difference does it make?
A captain of all people needs to admit when he's playing poorly. If a captain can't accurately assess his own play, how is he supposed to really assess his team.

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A captain of all people needs to admit when he's playing poorly. If a captain can't accurately assess his own play, how is he supposed to really assess his team.
Agreed, but the problem with the captain, generally isn't centered around his "play"

For the player he is, he gives it every night and has played fairly well, but that ignores the other factors that make his so "beloved"

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Wow, I'm surprised to hear you say that.
I've been saying it for years Jimmi ... you know that. Has anything changed? No, we are still bottom of the NHL, with little hope for change. The team we have today, will be the same team next year. Another lottery pick in 2013; only difference is, we are going to start seeing some of the young talent demand trades.

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Agreed, but the problem with the captain, generally isn't centered around his "play"

For the player he is, he gives it every night and has played fairly well, but that ignores the other factors that make his so "beloved"
But he doesn't give it every night. Have you seen him try to get the puck from people now? He plants his skates and his stick then wiggles back and forth like a table hockey player hoping to knock the puck free. He also does not hit.

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It would show some responsibility.

It would show that as a captain, he knows these results aren't respectable. And would it change anything of consequence? Overall? Probably not, but it may just do what leadership does, and may lead other players to work harder. It may tell the rest of the team that this sort of play is unacceptable.

Or hell, maybe just maybe it could lead certain players to have better results (ie how guys like Hartnell called out Ilya around the all star break, and then they had a team meeting with Ilya and he's stepped his play up).
Problem here is you have no idea what's said behind the doors of the dressing room.

You're basing your assumptions on statements made in public and projecting those onto what's happening in the background.

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Leadership is a multiplier that can't really be measured. We don't have it, and it's clearly showing.
If you can't measure it how do you know you don't have it?

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