Maybe it's nothing, but did anyone else notice zero emotion from Hall when he scored the tying goal? Usually he has a big smile and a fist pump or something, especially for a goal which tied the game...but last night, he looked pissed off and hardly celebrated, even with his linemates surrounding him. I just thought it was very out of character for him. I'm not saying he has to jump around everytime he scores, but his eyes said it all.
The question remains: what difference does it make?
He's the captain. Doesn't matter if it's just a letter to some, the captain of the team is always a factor in dictating how team plays. The young kids need to know their leader recognizes his own faults, or how does this team have any credibility going forward?
Having your captain admit that he needs to better unifies the team. They recognize humbleness and accountability in comments like that, and play for each other. I don't care whether Horcoff is cashing in 2 millions a year or 6 million a year, the responsibilities of a leader are far and beyond going through the motions and throwing out blanket statements about how the whole team is playing "not to lose."
If the guy holds himself accountable for mistakes, it should light a fire under his ass. And when Horcoff shows he gives a damn, **** the standings, **** the losses, **** his own abilities, this team can come together. This is what a captain can do for a team. So if all it takes is him recognizing he needs to be better, and letting people know that, yeah I'd rather he said something more substantial like Reimer was alluding to.
Maybe it's nothing, but did anyone else notice zero emotion from Hall when he scored the tying goal? Usually he has a big smile and a fist pump or something, especially for a goal which tied the game...but last night, he looked pissed off and hardly celebrated, even with his linemates surrounding him. I just thought it was very out of character for him. I'm ot saying he has to jump around everytime he scores, but his eyes said it all.
I've said it before that if Hall, Eberle, or RNH demand a trade out of Edmonton, I'll stop supporting this team. I know you were being facetious, I'm just saying. This organization has to do everything possible to make them happy.
Maybe it's nothing, but did anyone else notice zero emotion from Hall when he scored the tying goal? Usually he has a big smile and a fist pump or something, especially for a goal which tied the game...but last night, he looked pissed off and hardly celebrated, even with his linemates surrounding him. I just thought it was very out of character for him. I'm not saying he has to jump around everytime he scores, but his eyes said it all.
I was at the game. He was in his own zone defending for quite a while. Perhaps he was tired.
I think we are trying to read way to much out of a few comments from a few players.
Let's now project what was said or not said in an interview or in a goal celebration. Man on man, this thread is better than any daytime television show.
Frankly of course they are frustrated, of course there might be a few comments on the bench. If there was not I would be very surprised.
Agreed, but the problem with the captain, generally isn't centered around his "play"
For the player he is, he gives it every night and has played fairly well, but that ignores the other factors that make his so "beloved"
Stop spreading lies Jimmi, Horcoff does not bring a full effort every night, he coasts on the ice and is afraid of throwing a hit, just waves his stick aimlessly.
The sooner we stop with the myths of Horcoff being a hardworking leader on the ice, the better.
I think we all know the type of player and person Hall is, he wears his emotions on his sleeve.
But last night, post-game on the radio, Tencer said that there was this look in Eberle's eyes as he was interviewing him sitting in his stall, that if he said the wrong thing, he thought Ebs would have swung at him or something. That+ his comments from a player who's extremely calm and professional, tells us a huge change needs to happen. Its not that they're frustrated with losing only. There are way too many passengers on this team.
I won't call out Horcoff because he regularly faces teams' top lines, and is probably the worst but most overpaid (ahem top 6 centre) in the league. I can't tell if his comments and him being calm all the time are him being professional or him not caring.
Smyth, however, needs to retire before we begin to hate him. We appreciate everything he's done, but he almost sounds/looks entitled. He can't keep up with the game anymore yet he's always taking long shifts, everytime he chases someone out from behind the net I cringe, hoping he doesn't trip them or do something dumb like he always has. He walks into the ozone and the D just take the passes away and let him shoot that 3 mph slapshot that flutters like a freaking butterfly. I know you like a wood stick and everything but get with the times or retire. You can't shoot with that thing, can't clear on a pk (notice how Smyth's clear attempts get intercepted more often than not?) can't pass, and to make it worse, its way too short, its like up to his belly button.
The vets are way too comfortable, its becoming an old boys club again. And Renney 'the guys need to play to win' Thats why every 4 on 4, you send out Belanger with Smyth, then Horc with Jones or Hemsky right? This team. UGH. So frustrating.
He's the captain. Doesn't matter if it's just a letter to some, the captain of the team is always a factor in dictating how team plays. The young kids need to know their leader recognizes his own faults, or how does this team have any credibility going forward?
Having your captain admit that he needs to better unifies the team. They recognize humbleness and accountability in comments like that, and play for each other. I don't care whether Horcoff is cashing in 2 millions a year or 6 million a year, the responsibilities of a leader are far and beyond going through the motions and throwing out blanket statements about how the whole team is playing "not to lose."
If the guy holds himself accountable for mistakes, it should light a fire under his ass. And when Horcoff shows he gives a damn, **** the standings, **** the losses, **** his own abilities, this team can come together. This is what a captain can do for a team. So if all it takes is him recognizing he needs to be better, and letting people know that, yeah I'd rather he said something more substantial like Reimer was alluding to.
Strange. This is what people said Pronger did for the Oilers in the 2006 cup run, and yet he didn't wear a C. How is at all possible since apparently you're suggesting people need the captaincy on their chest in order to "lead".
Maybe it's nothing, but did anyone else notice zero emotion from Hall when he scored the tying goal? Usually he has a big smile and a fist pump or something, especially for a goal which tied the game...but last night, he looked pissed off and hardly celebrated, even with his linemates surrounding him. I just thought it was very out of character for him. I'm not saying he has to jump around everytime he scores, but his eyes said it all.
That just go's to show you how much pressure the kids are under. They know that if there line doesn't score three goals a night that there not going to win because the vets aren't pulling there weight.
That's probably why Hall had no celly. He's like "see guys if we don't score we're never in the game."
I wonder if Eager's agitation skills are just this good...like they just can't be contained. Like everyone is just losing their **** just looking at him now..
I am sorry what is said to the press and the comments to the press do not man a hill of beans.
You can not tell whether it is Horcoff they are upset with or Belanger (making up names), or perhaps coaching for all we know OR just losing and everything is blowing up right now. We have no idea what the players or coaches are saying behind the scenes.
I know that we all want to read behind the lines and try to figure out who is at fault but to me it is crystal clear that the problems in this organization won't end until the people at the top of the organization change.
It's getting to the point with Horcs that we have to consider either buying him out or sending him to the minors. Either that or put him on the 3rd/4th line without pp minutes. This team has to turn it around next season, another losing season will take the wind out of the sails of the youth that will actually turn this team around one day.
As a fan I expect big changes this off season. We already have most of the most difficult roles filled out (elite scorers, young first line center) and if Tambo isn't able to fill out a proper team he should lose his job.
I completely agree with the Smyth thing. You can't resign him. yes he scores 20 but most of the time he's pretty useless. There is already a captain here who shoots like him, I don't want to see another.
Stop spreading lies Jimmi, Horcoff does not bring a full effort every night, he coasts on the ice and is afraid of throwing a hit, just waves his stick aimlessly.
The sooner we stop with the myths of Horcoff being a hardworking leader on the ice, the better.
LOL ok then, I guess my hate for him hasn't reached that level yet. Either way, I see him bought out this summer, one way or another.
I am sorry what is said to the press and the comments to the press do not man a hill of beans.
You can not tell whether it is Horcoff they are upset with or Belanger (making up names), or perhaps coaching for all we know OR just losing and everything is blowing up right now. We have no idea what the players or coaches are saying behind the scenes.
I know that we all want to read behind the lines and try to figure out who is at fault but to me it is crystal clear that the problems in this organization won't end until the people at the top of the organization change.
Eberle, from Tencer, says some players aren't play as part of a team rather playing as individuals.
Horcoff says there is some discontent on the bench.
It points to a lack of unity among the team does it not?
EDIT TO ADD: Let me add not saying it's all season long or anything, but maybe just for recent games.
I was at the game. He was in his own zone defending for quite a while. Perhaps he was tired.
I think we are trying to read way to much out of a few comments from a few players.
Let's now project what was said or not said in an interview or in a goal celebration. Man on man, this thread is better than any daytime television show.
Frankly of course they are frustrated, of course there might be a few comments on the bench. If there was not I would be very surprised.
I'm not trying to project anything or instigate any kind of "Hall must want out" type of BS. I just thought it was out of the ordinary; however, I missed the sequence of his line being hemmed in prior to his goal as I was trying to calm down a 2 year old so thanks for providing that info. I saw him breaking in and scoring, the lack of celebration and how angry he looked. You are probably right though, he was probably exhausted, but with all this talk today on this board and on the radio of the team perhaps being at odds with each other, it just sparked my memory and I thought I'd mention it.
Strange. This is what people said Pronger did for the Oilers in the 2006 cup run, and yet he didn't wear a C. How is at all possible since apparently you're suggesting people need the captaincy on their chest in order to "lead".
Not anywhere in my post does it suggest a player needs the C to lead. Obviously there are players who can display leadership qualities beyond the captain. My issue is that the player given the most responsibility to do this i.e. the captain, is not doing enough in his role, and that the letter means a lot to a team full of impressionable youngsters.
Am I supposed to insinuate that you think the person who wears the C isn't supposed lead at all? No, I don't see that in your post anywhere, so I won't put those words in your mouth.
Not anywhere in my post does it suggest a player needs the C to lead. Obviously there are players who can display leadership qualities beyond the captain. My issue is that the player given the most responsibility to do this i.e. the captain, is not doing enough in his role, and that the letter means a lot to a team full of impressionable youngsters.
Am I supposed to insinuate that you think the person who wears the C isn't supposed lead at all? No, I don't see that in you post anywhere, so I won't put those words your in your mouth.
I'm looking through tencers tweets to see what ebs said.
I know I don't really like what captain said. He doesn't like losing this way. I was hoping he doEsn't like losing period lol
"Some players aren't play as part of a team rather playing as individuals"
I don't get it. Sounds like something Horcoff might say to one of the youngsters. The kids are trying to win and get points while the rest are content to play the lottery.
<-- Credit goes to The Nemesis.
