you might be right and it was a risk. I am just thinking (hoping) that the reason it was reported that term was the issue and not money is because Chia has someone in mind for this offseason and wanted to keep that cap space available. Taking a risk on Ryder still might be a good move if he gets his target this offseason.
one can hope.
that game is just as dqangerous.
if those 'key' FA neverf make it to free agency or sign else where, now you potentially have two seasons wasted by trying to hedge your bets on the future.
if those 'key' FA neverf make it to free agency or sign else where, now you potentially have two seasons wasted by trying to hedge your bets on the future.
good point and I guess that is where hey have to weigh the options. Was it worth losing Ryder and getting Poo for one year to get a chance at a big UFA next offseason.
They must have felt it was worth the gamble in this case because Chia is known to lock up the guys he wants to keep early.
if those 'key' FA neverf make it to free agency or sign else where, now you potentially have two seasons wasted by trying to hedge your bets on the future.
Bingo, we are seeing far fewer big name free agents each year and everyone is dreaming about Parise and Suter who are pipe dreams and 29 other teams after them.
Next year the big name free agents are
Semin
Parise
Smyth (wants to retire an oiler)
Doan (stated he wants to sign in Phoenix, probably not an FA unless the Coyotes move)
Selanne (probably going to retire)
Wideman (never returning to Boston)
Suter
Carle ( I think he would be eaten alive by fans here)
Jagr
A.Kostitsyn (probably re-signs with his brother, playing well in Nashville anyway)
Hejduk (looks like age caught up with him this year)
Jokinen (meh?)
Ray Whitney
Arnott
Let's be honest there isn't much out there again this year and they will be looking for big dollars and term. How many of these players are 'bruin' type players? How many of these players would fit our style of play?
Anyone who believes Chiarelli is saving for this FA period should just come clean and state they want to sign Parise or Suter.
If we keep sucking, it'll be painfully obvious that Chia needs to do anything and everything for Parise.
Right?
Right?
Considering everything Chiarelli has said points to him NOT doing something major in the off season I doubt he does. But Suter would help the Bruins more than Praise
Considering everything Chiarelli has said points to him NOT doing something major in the off season I doubt he does. But Suter would help the Bruins more than Praise
Chia's said nothing about this upcoming offseason.
Unless you're taking the "I want to give this group another chance at it" from LAST year..how long are we supposed to let that chance last before we get sick of sub .500 hockey?
Chia's said nothing about this upcoming offseason.
He has stated numerous times that he believes the salary cap will go down and we have many expiring contracts to renew in the comming years. Doesn't seem like he is thinking of adding a big name. Believe me I would love to be wrong, but it doesn't seem that way.
He has stated numerous times that he believes the salary cap will go down and we have many expiring contracts to renew in the comming years. Doesn't seem like he is thinking of adding a big name. Believe me I would love to be wrong, but it doesn't seem that way.
ehh we'll see. If he doesn't make a push on Parise or Suter, considering our cap space, Savard's possible 4 mil space, and contract situation (Way overrated, every player who will need a renewal has a player expiring along with him (Marchand, Lucic, Seguin reupped while Horton, Ference, Thomas expire) he's quite frankly not doing his job.
We've got the perfect situation to add a big name IMO, and if we didn't make a push for that in order to protect Chris Kelly, or Johnny Boychuk....well then.......
ehh we'll see. If he doesn't make a push on Parise or Suter, considering our cap space, Savard's possible 4 mil space, and contract situation (Way overrated, every player who will need a renewal has a player expiring along with him (Marchand, Lucic, Seguin reupped while Horton, Ference, Thomas expire) he's quite frankly not doing his job.
We've got the perfect situation to add a big name IMO, and if we didn't make a push for that in order to protect Chris Kelly, or Johnny Boychuk....well then.......
I dont think so they just won the cup have one of the youngest cores in the game. He proble knows that spooner, and knight both have a shot to make the club next year. Also guys like Sauve and Mcdermind fill in nicely as a cheap third fourth line option.
Again, being a passive general manger is the wrong route. Chiarelli took the route of a Hfboard poster, let the kids play make space for our prospects and it failed.
He did nothing at the deadline and right now, his team is sinking. If the price were too high at the deadline, they will be insanely high July 1st...
It wasn`t solely the price tag Trapper, and it needs to be accounted for, he was/is also dealing with the unknown (why many here just think the CBA is a done deal is beyond me) he (Chia ) has/had how many contracts of players where decisions are going to have to be made on.
While other teams were locking up average at best UFA`s, Chia`s approach was to add players for only 1 year with an uncertain CBA, tons of expiring contracts on the table etc.....
How often have we seen Chia and Co. just sit tight and do little to nothing??? Not often, they have a plan and just because we don`t see or know what it is doesn`t mean it doesn`t exist. A few weeks before the deadline this team was in a position where they would have liked to add a vew vets, a "want" list, then, injuries start happening and that "want" list turns to "need" list.
Ya think that Cam and Chia don`t want to win??? I`ll bet this is eating Cam up, and if the CBA gets worked out this summer, I have predicted there will be a major addition to this roster in the summer, whom that is I don`t know, and I could see a guy like Krejci playing his final days as a Bruin to get them and fit them under the cap while still having space to do other things
When you have two potential buyers, and you know that one needs something, and the other would like to have something but could live without it, who of those two do you think you would charge the higher price too???
I`m not a blinders on guy when it comes to Chia, he`s made his mistakes and I`ve called him on them when necessary?? So many teams GM`s clearly had the attitude that they still had a chance regardless if they were out of a playoff spot at the deadline or not.
NOBODY here was complaining too much when this team went on that insane streak in November/December, they have played like GARBAGIO since then, and I too would have liked to have seen Chia make additions with impact as I was left underwhelmed with the trio they picked up, but I also could see that there was nothing out there, and what little there was, there isn`t a long line of GM`s making calls to Chia about pieces they have that could make the B`s better.
It wasn`t solely the price tag Trapper, and it needs to be accounted for, he was/is also dealing with the unknown (why many here just think the CBA is a done deal is beyond me) he (Chia ) has/had how many contracts of players where decisions are going to have to be made on.
While other teams were locking up average at best UFA`s, Chia`s approach was to add players for only 1 year with an uncertain CBA, tons of expiring contracts on the table etc.....
How often have we seen Chia and Co. just sit tight and do little to nothing??? Not often, they have a plan and just because we don`t see or know what it is doesn`t mean it doesn`t exist. A few weeks before the deadline this team was in a position where they would have liked to add a vew vets, a "want" list, then, injuries start happening and that "want" list turns to "need" list.
Ya think that Cam and Chia don`t want to win??? I`ll bet this is eating Cam up, and if the CBA gets worked out this summer, I have predicted there will be a major addition to this roster in the summer, whom that is I don`t know, and I could see a guy like Krejci playing his final days as a Bruin to get them and fit them under the cap while still having space to do other things
When you have two potential buyers, and you know that one needs something, and the other would like to have something but could live without it, who of those two do you think you would charge the higher price too???
I`m not a blinders on guy when it comes to Chia, he`s made his mistakes and I`ve called him on them when necessary?? So many teams GM`s clearly had the attitude that they still had a chance regardless if they were out of a playoff spot at the deadline or not.
NOBODY here was complaining too much when this team went on that insane streak in November/December, they have played like GARBAGIO since then, and I too would have liked to have seen Chia make additions with impact as I was left underwhelmed with the trio they picked up, but I also could see that there was nothing out there, and what little there was, there isn`t a long line of GM`s making calls to Chia about pieces they have that could make the B`s better.
I don't put any kind of intentions ( or lack of ) on Chiarelli/Neely's back. But there's a clear mindset when it becomes to Chiarelli: Aside the Kaberle trade, the price were always too high. At some point, you need to need do something and not always hide behind the " price are too high " excuse. When you look at the Bruins, right now, it's clear that this team needed help. Instead of bringing help to his team, Chiarelli acquired a collection of healthy scratch. That's not what i call help; i call this : making a move to make a move. When people are telling me that the Bruins will be " active " July 1st, i can't help but laugh because that will be a 180 degree change of philosophy. Aside some " exterior " pressure or if the worst case scenario materialize A.K.A missing the playoffs, i don't see Chiarelli going all in July 1st. He's too afraid about the new CBA...
I don't put any kind of intentions ( or lack of ) on Chiarelli/Neely's back. But there's a clear mindset when it becomes to Chiarelli: Aside the Kaberle trade, the price were always too high. At some point, you need to need do something and not always hide behind the " price are too high " excuse. When you look at the Bruins, right now, it's clear that this team needed help. Instead of bringing help to his team, Chiarelli acquired a collection of healthy scratch. That's not what i call help; i call this : making a move to make a move. When people are telling me that the Bruins will be " active " July 1st, i can't help but laugh because that will be a 180 degree change of philosophy. Aside some " exterior " pressure or if the worst case scenario materialize A.K.A missing the playoffs, i don't see Chiarelli going all in July 1st. He's too afraid about the new CBA...
I think he did that with Pevs, the price essentially was at the cost of a Wheeler and Stuey.
Your right, this team did need help, I ask again, what help was out there Trapper??? And let`s say Chia sent off someone like a Marchand/Spooner/Knight/Krejci to get that help, this team doesn`t win then what???
Are you the kind of fan who`d sit back and be content and say "at least he did something" or would you be the kind of fan who said "I can`t believe what he gave up for him"????
Let`s not forget, this team won the Cup with Kabby and there were/are loads of fans here still irate he gave up what he did for Kabby
I`m more conservative by nature so take it for what it`s worth, but I believe there is a huge misconception that Chia is afraid to make aggressive deals
I think he did that with Pevs, the price essentially was at the cost of a Wheeler and Stuey.
Your right, this team did need help, I ask again, what help was out there Trapper??? And let`s say Chia sent off someone like a Marchand/Spooner/Knight/Krejci to get that help, this team doesn`t win then what???
Are you the kind of fan who`d sit back and be content and say "at least he did something" or would you be the kind of fan who said "I can`t believe what he gave up for him"????
Let`s not forget, this team won the Cup with Kabby and there were/are loads of fans here still irate he gave up what he did for Kabby
I`m more conservative by nature so take it for what it`s worth, but I believe there is a huge misconception that Chia is afraid to make aggressive deals
The problem when it becomes to available players, is that we simply don't know. People are always referring to the headlines and assume that nobody else is available. Is it possible that nobody was available? Of course. But the opposite is also true and when you look at Julien's comments, this morning, it give another angle to see the whole thing. His players are tired and they are tired because nobody can spell them. The guy on the press box can't make our roster and there's no help in pro. Of course, teams were asking for Hamilton but most of them knew that the Bruins wouldn't move him unless an extraordinary offer. I'm convinced that Chiarelli could have done better then Rolston, Mottau and Zanon. It's ok to not overpay but when you give spare parts in trade, it's unlikely that you will receive quality. Right now, the Bruins are a team in disarray and they need to find a way to regain their " Mojo ".
The problem when it becomes to available players, is that we simply don't know. People are always referring to the headlines and assume that nobody else is available. Is it possible that nobody was available? Of course. But the opposite is also true and when you look at Julien's comments, this morning, it give another angle to see the whole thing. His players are tired and they are tired because nobody can spell them. The guy on the press box can't make our roster and there's no help in pro. Of course, teams were asking for Hamilton but most of them knew that the Bruins wouldn't move him unless an extraordinary offer. I'm convinced that Chiarelli could have done better then Rolston, Mottau and Zanon. It's ok to not overpay but when you give spare parts in trade, it's unlikely that you will receive quality. Right now, the Bruins are a team in disarray and they need to find a way to regain their " Mojo ".
Dead on Trapper, we have no clue who`s out there, and just because player A was aquired from one team for a certain price, that doesn`t mean that the price is the same if team B has interest in the same player.
One thing that often goes unmentioned, this team has a Prez who bleeds Black and Gold, and whatever deal Chia would like to either make/veto, Cam ultimately has the final say, if Cam wants Chia to move aggressively, deal high end picks, prospects or a roster player, it would have happened, high price or not.
I wasn`t a massive fan of either the off season moves, nor the deadline deals, truth is, I`d be the kind of fan who would line up first to criticize Chia for spending that much on marginal to average talent (which was ultimately what was available in the summer) for a huge price tag.
I am resigned to the fact that, it is looking as though this just isn`t this teams year yet......they still have their picks, they still have some solid looking prospects who`ll be playing Pro hockey somewhere next year who appear to have alot of solid NHL qualities if things work out in Spoons/Knight and others, glad we didn`t see them moved all for the sakes of overpaying for anyone who guarantees nothing.
You and I disagree that they could have done better at the deadline, I just saw NOBODY out there that was available for a price that wasn`t a 1st round pick, a Spooner/Knight etc.. but that`s ok, tis what makes the boards great. Big time players like Burke did nothing, that alone, in spite of me thinking Burke isn`t half the GM he`d have you believe tells a story. Heck, even Holmgren made smaller moves in Grossman/Kubina, the Flyers almost always try and make a splash.
He has stated numerous times that he believes the salary cap will go down and we have many expiring contracts to renew in the comming years. Doesn't seem like he is thinking of adding a big name. Believe me I would love to be wrong, but it doesn't seem that way.
Do you have any sources or quotes where he said this? Not questioning your veracity, I just haven't seen anything like that.
I dont think so they just won the cup have one of the youngest cores in the game. He proble knows that spooner, and knight both have a shot to make the club next year. Also guys like Sauve and Mcdermind fill in nicely as a cheap third fourth line option.
Sauve?? the poor guy goes on the IR after a sneeze
Do you have any sources or quotes where he said this? Not questioning your veracity, I just haven't seen anything like that.
Nor have I seen it, let`s not discount that there is no CBA yet, and I`m not a fan who`s overly optimistic it gets done for the start of the season, this alone changes the approach to trades/signings etc....
anything less than a trip to the second round of the playoffs and I am confident they go hard for a UFA like Suter or Parise- but more likely Suter. It would not surprise me one bit if they got knocked out in the first round- and certainly if they missed altogether- if you see four if not all five of Paille, Kelly, Pouliot, Campbell, and even Thornton gone; with an emphasis on energy and speed.
They get a mulligan from me no matter what happens this year, and depending on the cause of death will go to how drastic they rebuild the engine.
They do have a very good young core, attractive hockey destination, and cap room.
You always want to win the Cup but right now I'd be happy for the 7th seed, first round win and strong showing in the second round.
They are gassed and other than the best and brightest here who saw this coming I have no problem with what they did.
One week ago they had won two in a row playing strong games and had the best plus in hockey. Now they are a mess and everyone comes out the woodwork lambasting Chiarelli and knew this all along
Dead on Trapper, we have no clue who`s out there, and just because player A was aquired from one team for a certain price, that doesn`t mean that the price is the same if team B has interest in the same player.
One thing that often goes unmentioned, this team has a Prez who bleeds Black and Gold, and whatever deal Chia would like to either make/veto, Cam ultimately has the final say, if Cam wants Chia to move aggressively, deal high end picks, prospects or a roster player, it would have happened, high price or not.
I wasn`t a massive fan of either the off season moves, nor the deadline deals, truth is, I`d be the kind of fan who would line up first to criticize Chia for spending that much on marginal to average talent (which was ultimately what was available in the summer) for a huge price tag.
I am resigned to the fact that, it is looking as though this just isn`t this teams year yet......they still have their picks, they still have some solid looking prospects who`ll be playing Pro hockey somewhere next year who appear to have alot of solid NHL qualities if things work out in Spoons/Knight and others, glad we didn`t see them moved all for the sakes of overpaying for anyone who guarantees nothing.
You and I disagree that they could have done better at the deadline, I just saw NOBODY out there that was available for a price that wasn`t a 1st round pick, a Spooner/Knight etc.. but that`s ok, tis what makes the boards great. Big time players like Burke did nothing, that alone, in spite of me thinking Burke isn`t half the GM he`d have you believe tells a story. Heck, even Holmgren made smaller moves in Grossman/Kubina, the Flyers almost always try and make a splash.
Then a question... Do you think giving up a 1st rounder would have been detrimental to the team when you consider how close they are to be a perennial contender ( they just wont the Cup too )?
This is such a dumb thread...honestly. The Bruins were the absolute gold standard for the NHL until about mid-January when the injuries starting piling up. This team has played over 100 games in the last calendar year, and spent a good portion of the time now playing games celebrating a cup championship and fulfilling the obligations that go along with winning said cup (public appearances, interviews, etc). There's just nothing that Chiarelli could have done that would have prevented what has happened.
While I certainly have some legitimate concerns for the Bruins chances this year, I'm going to hold off on searching for culpability until the season is over. I don't think we've the end of this team yet for this year.
