also, 5-3-1 voting systems suck. Give me a guy named 3rd star twice over a guy named 1st star once, anyday. But under a 5-3-1 system, that 2nd guy has twice as many points as the first guy.
Yes, I agree that 5-3-1 voting systems can be pretty unbalanced. So make it 7-5-3, then the two players in your example have almost the same point total, and you maintain the old [1st + 3rd = 2nd + 2nd] balance.
Maybe we should simply publish deeper voting than the three stars this season? It would obviously take longer to tabulate, but maybe a simple (5-3-1) points-based voting system like the old all-star voting and publish the results down to five players for each team in each series. Now that would be interesting.
I like that idea quite a bit. I know I voted for some under the radar players last year for stars. Like I thought Vinny Lecavalier was a strong player for the Mooseheads last year, and Fred Stanfield got a vote or two from me.
#2 Halifax vs. #7 Regina: Halifax in 6
Three stars: Ray Bourque 49 (8-2-3), Max Bentley 23 (4-1-0), Johnny Bower 22 (2-3-3), Nick Lidstrom 16 (1-3-2), Nels Stewart 14 (1-3-0), Esa Tikkanen 12 (1-2-1), Cam Neely 10 (1-1-2), Babe Dye 9 (1-1-1), Bill Durnan 6 (0-2-0), George Armstrong 4 (0-1-1), Gus Mortson 1 (0-0-1), Doug Risebrough 1 (0-0-1), Dick Duff 1 (0-0-1), Doug Bentley 1 (0-0-1), Cy Denneny 1 (0-0-1), Jamie Langenbrunner 1 (0-0-1)
#3 Sherbrooke vs. #6 Seattle: Seattle in 6
Three stars: Maurice Richard 54 (7-6-1), Gordie Howe 40 (4-6-2), Ken Dryden 33 (6-0-3), Marty Barry 8 (1-1-0), Dave Keon 8 (1-0-3), Dickie Moore 6 (0-2-0), Bill Quackenbush 6 (0-2-0), Glenn Anderson 5 (0-1-2), Henri Richard 4 (0-0-4), Bob Pulford 3 (0-1-0), Babe Siebert 3 (0-1-0), Roy Conacher 1 (0-0-1), Frank Foyston 1 (0-0-1), Jim Schoenfeld 1 (0-0-1), Hod Stuart 1 (0-0-1)
#4 NY Raiders vs. #5 Portage: Raiders in 7
Three stars: Dominik Hasek 74 (13-3-0), Ted Lindsay 38 (5-3-4), Bill Cook 16 (0-4-4), Doug Gilmour 15 (1-2-4), Sprague Cleghorn 13 (1-2-2), Bill Gadsby 9 (0-3-0), Scott Stevens 8 (0-2-2), Elmer Lach 6 (1-0-1), Gerry Cheevers 3 (0-1-0), Eric Lindros 3 (0-1-0), Jack Stewart 2 (0-0-2), John Tonelli 1 (0-0-1)
DON CHERRY DIVISION
#2 New Jersey vs. #7 Toronto: New Jersey in 5
Three stars: Mario Lemieux 91 (17-2-0), Scott Niedermayer 20 (2-3-1), Mike Bossy 12 (2-0-2), Al MacInnis 12 (0-3-3), Chris Pronger 11 (0-3-2), Ed Belfour 9 (0-3-0), Ernie Johnson 6 (0-2-0), Bert Olmstead 4 (0-1-1), Clark Gillies 4 (0-1-1), Kirk Muller 3 (0-1-0), Vladimir Petrov 3 (0-1-0), Jarome Iginla 3 (0-1-0), Darryl Sittler 3 (0-0-3), Mats Sundin 3 (0-0-3), Gary Suter 2(0-0-2), Harry Lumley 1 (0-0-1), Borje Salming 1 (0-0-1), Mickey MacKay 1 (0-0-1)
#3 Guelph vs. #6 Dallas: Guelph in 6
Three stars: Bobby Hull 70 (12-3-1), Frank Boucher 24 (2-4-1), Bryan Trottier 16 (1-2-5), Larry Robinson 15 (2-1-2), Ted Kennedy 8 (0-2-2), Guy Carbonneau 7 (1-0-2), Earl Seibert 6 (1-1-0), Carl Brewer 6 (0-3-0), Tony Esposito 5 (0-1-2), Vaclav Nedomansky 3 (0-1-0), Busher Jackson 3 (0-1-0), Chuck Rayner 3 (0-0-3), Jari Kurri 1 (0-0-1)
#4 Flin Flon vs. #5 New York Rangers: Rangers in 7
Three stars: Jean Beliveau 45 (8-1-2), Bobby Clarke 41 (4-6-3), Mark Howe 11 (2-0-1), Grant Fuhr 11 (1-2-0), Billy Smith 11 (1-1-3), Slava Fetisov 8 (0-2-2), Alexei Kasatonov 5 (1-0-0), Randy McKay 5 (1-0-0), Claude Lemieux 5 (0-1-2), Joe Hall 4 (0-1-1), John Leclair 3 (0-1-0), Bobby Nystrom 3 (0-1-0), Vladimir Krutov 3 (0-1-0), Igor Larionov 3 (0-1-0), Punch Broadbent 2 (0-0-2), Lester Patrick 1 (0-0-1), Peter Forsberg1 (0-0-1)
FOSTER HEWITT DIVISION
#2 Gwinnett vs. #7 St. Louis: Gwinnett in 7
Three stars: Howie Morenz 45 (6-4-3), Glenn Hall 33 (4-4-1), Brian Leetch 19 (1-4-2), Steve Yzerman 18 (1-3-4), Valery Kharlamov 16 (3-0-1), George Vezina 9 (1-1-1), Peter Stastny 8 (1-1-0), Frantisek Pospisil 6 (1-0-1), Derek Sanderson 3 (0-1-0), Bill Cowley 2 (0-0-2), Peter Bondra 1 (0-0-1), Lanny McDonald 1 (0-0-1), Rod Langway 1 (0-0-1)
#3 Victoria vs. #6 Dartmouth: Victoria in 6
Three stars: Patrick Roy 43 (7-1-5), Guy Lafleur 27 (3-3-3), Toe Blake 22 (2- 4-0), Pierre Pilote 21 (2-3-2), Chuck Gardiner 13 (2-1-0), Paul Coffey 11 (0-3-2), Cyclone Taylor 9 (1-1-1), Joe Malone 8 (1-0-1), Alex Yakushev 5 (1-0-0), Ching Johnson 4 (0-1-1), Ace Bailey 3 (0-1-0), Randy Carlyle 3 (0-1-0), Tod Sloan 1 (0-0-1), Doug Wilson 1 (0-0-1), Rick Tocchet 1 (0-0-1), Craig MacTavish 1 (0-0-1)
#4 Ottawa vs. #5 Dubai: Dubai in 7
Three stars: Eddie Shore 46 (7-3-2), Red Kelly 27 (2-4-5), Boris Mikhailov 22 (2-3-3), Sergei Fedorov 17 (3-0-2), Bernie Parent 17 (1-4-0), Syl Apps 15 (1-3-1), Brad Park 12 (2-0-2), Paul Thompson 5 (1-0-0), Sylvio Mantha 3 (0-1-0), Danny Gare 3 (0-1-0), Ron Francis 2 (0-0-2), Anatoli Firsov 1 (0-0-1), Gump Worsley1 (0-0-1)
BOB COLE DIVISION
#2 Nanaimo vs. #7 Edmonton: Nanaimo in 6
Three stars: Bobby Orr 88 (16-2-2), Jacques Plante 31 (2-5-6), Frank Nighbor 17 (1-4-0), Charlie Conacher 10 (0-3-1), Tim Horton 9 (0-2-3), Lionel Conacher 7 (0-2-1), Ed Litzenberger 6 (1-0-1), Dean Prentice 3 (0-1-0), Jacques Lemaire 3 (0-1-0), Clint Benedict 2 (0-0-2), Joe Primeau 1 (0-0-1), Rick Middleton 1 (0-0-1), Cooney Weiland 1 (0-0-1), Brendan Shanahan 1 (0-0-1)
#3 Boston vs. #6 Winnipeg: Boston in 6
Three stars: Doug Harvey 63 (9-5-3), Bernie Geoffrion 30 (3-4-3), Aurel Joliat 19 (1-4-2), Martin Brodeur 17 (1-3-3), Serge Savard 10 (1-1-2), Sid Abel 9 (1-1-1), Jaromir Jagr 8 (1-1-0), Nick Metz 5 (1-0-0), Frank Mahovlich 5 (1-0-0), Joel Otto 5 (1-0-0), Ott Heller 5 (1-0-0), Rod Gilbert 5 (0-1-2), Alf Smith 3 (0-1-0), George Hainsworth 2 (0-0-2), Vsevolod Bobrov 2 (0-0-2), Rod Gilbert 2 (0-0-2), Tim Kerr 1 (0-0-1)
#4 Montreal Wanderers vs. #5 Calgary: Wanderers in 6
Three stars: Terry Sawchuk 56 (8-5-1), Joe Sakic 31 (4-2-5), Mark Messier 26 (3-3-2), Vladislav Tretiak 14 (1-2-3), John Bucyk 11 (2-1-0), Theo Fleury 9 (1-1-1), Gil Perreault 8 (1-0-3), JC Tremblay 7 (0-2-1), Dit Clapper 6 (1-0-1), Alex Delvecchio 4 (0-1-1), Alexander Maltsev 4 (0-1-1), Steve Larmer 4 (0-1-1), Joe Nieuwendyk 4 (0-1-1), Butch Bouchard 3 (0-1-0)
ROUND 2
Jim Robson Division:
#1 Montreal Canadiens vs. #6 Seattle: Canadiens in 6
Three stars: Gordie Howe 44 (6-4-2); Denis Potvin 33 (6-1-0); Turk Broda 13 (1-2-2); Yvan Cournoyer 9 (1-1-1); Newsy Lalonde 8 (0-2-2); Harry Howell 5 (1-0-0); Jean Ratelle 5 (0-1-2); Ken Dryden 5 (0-1-2); Marty Barry 4 (0-1-1); Hod Stuart 3 (0-1-0); Marcel Bonin 3 (0-1-0); Roy Conacher 1 (0-0-1); Rob Blake 1 (0-0-1); Troy Murray 1 (0-0-1)
#2 Halifax RCAF vs. #4 New York Raiders: Halifax in 6
Three stars: Dominik Hasek 30 (3-4-3); Ray Bourque 25 (3-2-4); Max Bentley 24 (4-1-1); Cam Neely 12 (1-2-1); Guy Lapointe 8 (1-1-0); Wally Stanowski 5 (1-0-0); Scott Stevens 5 (1-0-0); Bill Gadsby 5 (0-1-2); Doug Bentley 4 (0-1-1); Doug Gilmour 3 (0-1-0); Esa Tikkanen 3 (0-1-0); Don Luce 1 (0-0-1); J.P. Parise 1 (0-0-1)
DON CHERRY DIVISION
#1 Aurora Tigers vs. #5 New York Rangers: Aurora in 6
Three stars: Jean Beliveau 40 (7-1-2); Chris Chelios 24 (3-2-3); Billy Smith 19 (3-1-1); Phil Esposito 12 (1-2-1); Alexander Ragulin 6 (0-2-0); Adam Oates 6 (0-1-3); Mark Howe 5 (1-0-0); Joe Hall 5 (1-0-0); Vladimir Shadrin 4 (0-1-1); Brett Hull 4 (0-1-1); Bob Bourne 3 (0-1-0); Fern Flaman 3 (0-1-0); Claude Lemieux 3 (0-1-0); Mats Naslund 3 (0-1-0); Peter Forsberg 3 (0-1-0); Punch Broadbent 1 (0-0-1); Bobby Nystrom 1 (0-0-1); Rogie Vachon 1 (0-0-1); Tiny Thompson 1 (0-0-1)
#2 New Jersey Devils vs. #3 Guelph Biltmores: New Jersey in OT game 7
Three stars: Mario Lemieux 57 (8-5-2); Bobby Hull 31 (2-6-3); Earl Seibert 15 (3-0-0); Chuck Rayner 10 (2-0-0); Ted Kennedy 7 (0-2-1); Chris Pronger 6 (1-0-1); Scott Niedermayer 4 (0-1-1); Mickey MacKay 3 (0-1-0); Clark Gillies 3 (0-1-0); Frank Boucher 3 (0-0-3); Carl Brewer 1 (0-0-1); Rick MacLeish 1 (0-0-1); Jack Crawford 1 (0-0-1); Lars-Erik Sjoberg 1 (0-0-1); Vaclav Nedomansky 1 (0-0-1)
FOSTER HEWITT DIVISION
#1 Oakland Seals vs. #5 Dubai Mighty Camels: Oakland in 6
Three stars: Wayne Gretzky 48 (9-1-0); Red Kelly 15 (1-3-1); Andy Bathgate 14 (0-4-2); King Clancy 13 (1-2-2); Boris Mikhailov 8 (1-1-0); Sergei Fedorov 8 (1-0-3); Valeri Vasiliev 5 (1-0-0); Brad Park 5 (0-1-2); Gump Worsley 4 (0-1-1); Cecil Dillon 1 (0-0-1); Red Horner 1 (0-0-1); Jiri Holocek 1 (0-0-1)
#2 Gwinnett Gladiators vs. #3 Victoria Cougars: Victoria in 6
Three stars: Howie Morenz 33 (4-3-4); Guy Lafleur 28 (4-1-5); Chuck Gardiner 25 (3-3-1); Pierre Pilote 15 (2-1-2); Valeri Kharlamov 14 (1-3-0); Brian Leetch 11 (1-2-0); Ching Johnson 7 (1-0-2); Cyclone Taylor 6 (0-2-0); Glenn Hall 3 (0-1-0); Bill Cowley 3 (0-1-0); Anders Hedberg 1 (0-0-1); Peter Bondra 1 (0-0-1)
BOB COLE DIVISION
#1 Detroit Falcons vs. #4 Montreal Wanderers: Detroit in 6
Three stars: Stan Mikita 34 (6-0-4); Milt Schmidt 31 (4-3-2); Terry Sawchuk 17 (0-5-2); Frank Brimsek 13 (1-1-5); Woody Dumart 8 (1-1-0); Joe Sakic 8 (1-1-0); Ralph Backstrom 6 (0-2-0); Gil Perreault 6 (0-2-0); Claude Provost 5 (1-0-0); Michel Goulet 5 (1-0-0); Jacques Laperriere 5 (1-0-0); Flash Hollett 3 (0-1-0); Steve Larmer 1 (0-0-1); Bobby Bauer 1 (0-0-1); Rick Martin 1 (0-0-1)
#2 Nanaimo Clippers vs. #3 Boston Bruins: Nanaimo in 7
Three stars: Bobby Orr 47 (6-5-2); Doug Harvey 41 (6-3-2); Bernie Geoffrion 11 (1-1-3); Clint Benedict 9 (1-1-1); Frank Nighbor 7 (0-1-4); Ed Litzenberger 5 (1-0-0); Lionel Conacher 5 (1-0-0); Joel Otto 4 (0-1-1); Vsevolod Bobrov 4 (0-1-1); Sid Abel 3 (0-1-0); George Hainsworth 3 (0-1-0); Alf Smith 3 (0-1-0); Tim Kerr 1 (0-0-1); Bobby Rousseau 1 (0-0-1)
ROUND 3
Jim Robson Division:
#1 Montreal Canadiens vs. #2 Halifax RCAF: Montreal in 7 OT
Three stars: Turk Broda 28 (3-4-1); Cam Neely 17 (2-2-1); Newsy Lalonde 16 (2-2-0); Denis Potvin 15 (2-1-2); Esa Tikkanen 14 (2-1-1); Johnny Bower 13 (1-2-2); Jean Ratelle 13 (2-1-0); Ray Bourque 11 (1-0-6); Max Bentley 9 (1-1-1); Marcel Bonin 5 (1-0-0); Doug Bentley 4 (0-1-1); Harry Howell 3 (0-1-0); Keith Primeau 3 (0-1-0); Buddy O’Connor 1 (0-0-1); Dean Prentice 1 (0-0-1)
DON CHERRY DIVISION
#1 Aurora Tigers vs. #2 New Jersey Devils: New Jersey in 6
Three stars: Mario Lemieux 52 (10-0-2); Chris Chelios 23 (3-2-2); Brett Hull 16 (2-1-3); Moose Johnson 8 (1-1-0); Phil Esposito 8 (0-2-2); Chris Pronger 7 (0-2-1); Harry Lumley 6 (1-0-1); Fern Flaman 6 (0-2-0); Tiny Thompson 6 (0-2-0); Scott Niedermayer 6 (0-1-3); Mickey MacKay 5 (1-0-0); Kirk Muller 4 (0-1-1); Bert Olmstead 4 (0-1-1); Joe Klukay 3 (0-1-0); Jan Suchy 3 (0-1-0); Clark Gillies 3 (0-1-0); Cy Wentworth 1 (0-0-1); Wayne Cashman 1 (0-0-1)
FOSTER HEWITT DIVISION
#1 Oakland Seals vs. #3 Victoria Cougars: Oakland in 6
Three stars: Wayne Gretzky 54 (8-4-2); Pierre Pilote 18 (2-2-2); Chuck Gardiner 17 (2-2-1); King Clancy 13 (1-2-2); Guy Lafleur 9 (1-0-4); Andy Bathgate 7 (0-2-1); Cyclone Taylor 6 (1-0-1); Red Horner 5 (1-0-0); Toe Blake 3 (0-1-0); Bernie Federko 3 (0-1-0); Alexander Yakushev 3 (0-1-0); Frank Finnigan 3 (0-1-0); Paul Kariya 1 (0-0-1); Brian Bellows 1 (0-0-1); Cecil Dillon 1 (0-0-1)
BOB COLE DIVISION
#1 Detroit Falcons vs. #2 Nanaimo Clippers: Nanaimo in 6
Three stars: Bobby Orr 67 (11-4-0); Milt Schmidt 26 (2-4-4); Stan Mikita 21 (2-3-2); Frank Brimsek 11 (1-1-3); Clint Benedict 9 (1-1-1); Frank Nighbor 9 (1-1-1); Claude Provost 7 (0-2-1); Ed Litzenberger 5 (1-0-0); Charlie Conacher 3 (0-1-0); Woody Dumart 3 (0-1-0); Bobby Rousseau 3 (0-1-0); Cooney Weiland 3 (0-0-3); Hap Day 2 (0-0-2); Jacques Laperriere 1 (0-0-1); Michel Goulet 1 (0-0-1)
Round 4
Montreal Canadiens vs. New Jersey Devils: Canadiens in 7
Three stars: Turk Broda 41 (5-5-1); Mario Lemieux 38 (3-7-2); Denis Potvin 33 (5-1-5); Newsy Lalonde 18 (3-0-3); Chris Pronger 5 (1-0-0); Mickey MacKay 5 (1-0-0); Scott Niedermayer 4 (0-1-1); Yvan Cournoyer 4 (0-1-1); Jean Ratelle 3 (0-1-0); Doug Jarvis 3 (0-1-0); Vladimir Petrov 3 (0-1-0); Clark Gillies 1 (0-0-1); Harry Lumley 1 (0-0-1); Kirk Muller 1 (0-0-1); Harry Howell 1 (0-0-1); Rick MacLeish 1 (0-0-1)
Oakland Seals vs. Nanaimo Clippers: Nanaimo in 6
Three stars: Wayne Gretzky 41 (5-5-1); Bobby Orr 40 (6-3-1); Frank Nighbor 12 (1-2-1); Syd Howe 8 (1-1-0); Andy Bathgate 7 (0-1-4); Jiri Holocek 6 (1-0-1); Clint Benedict 6 (0-1-3); Joe Primeau 5 (1-0-0); Ed Litzenberger 5 (1-0-0); King Clancy 5 (0-1-2); Valeri Vasiliev 3 (0-1-0); Lionel Hitchman 3 (0-1-0); Cooney Weiland 2 (0-0-2); Lionel Conacher 1 (0-0-1)
Final
Montreal Canadiens vs. Nanaimo Clippers: Canadiens in 7
Three stars: Denis Potvin 29 (4-2-3); Bobby Orr 26 (4-1-3); Turk Broda 12 (1-2-1); Doug Jarvis 11 (1-2-0); Newsy Lalonde 9 (0-3-0); Charlie Conacher 7 (1-0-2); Frank Nighbor 6 (1-0-1); Clint Benedict 6 (0-2-0); Ed Litzenberger 5 (1-0-0); Yvan Cournoyer 3 (0-1-0); Joe Primeau 1 (0-0-1); Harry Howell 1 (0-0-1); Lionel Conacher 1 (0-0-1)
I was vocal about disliking playoffs in those lower-level drafts and pretty much had the mentality of why not if they were going to occur anyways (sort of what all of us seemed to feel haha).
I think I said something about wanting to do a more in-depth AST voting process but then again we had 3 picks a day to make about a week after the playoffs wrapped up in the other drafts. I see how it descends to picks for the sake of picks but doing something like that ATD #8 voting could really make it more meaningful.
I realize last year was the most picks ever with the 40-man ATD but there were plenty of AA guys who made the bump up (I can't speak for last year's ATD or MLD). If we actually vetted the results of those drafts a bit better than playoff debates and a simple series vote, I think a lot could be gained towards fixing some of the quirks ATD canon has produced.
As it stood, the all-star teams at those levels still produced a bit of discussion. The only problem is that discussion occurs after the results are final, and I think some of that info that becomes brought up after the fact would have swayed voters minds. Popein vs Ingarfield and Dewsbury vs Lamoureux (AAA again) come to mind just considering a few instances where our votes may have unfairly flattered players.
Going back to the weather in Vancouver. I think we've had more hail in the past 3 weeks than the past 3 years... And then when it stops it's a beautiful day.
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Going back to the weather in Vancouver. I think we've had more hail in the past 3 weeks than the past 3 years... And then when it stops it's a beautiful day.
It's nice right now (after hailing for bloody a couple hours at noon), but cold. Can't be more than 6-7 degrees - and thats with the sun beating down.
Damn you Montrealer's with the warm weather and hot chicks struttin' around in shorts!
So Boris the farmer is out working in his field one day, when he accidentally uncovers an unexploded bomb from WW2. He brings it into the house and proudly show his wife Olga.
Olga says: "Boris, get this thing out of house now!"
Boris replies: "Olga, I will disarm bomb and clean it. It will look good in living room!"
Olga: "Boris, you can not defuse bomb! You will kill us. Give it to police."
Boris: "Woman, I was in army for 3 years. I can fix bomb!"
So Boris takes the bomb into the barn to open it up. And sure enough, KABOOM! it explodes, blowing off both his arms. Hearing the explosion, Olga runs into the barn.
"Oh, my poor sweet Boris" She exclaims, "Don't you know that in Soviet Russia, bomb disarms you?"
