No offense taken, just a bit of amusement for me since it was the hardest division for me to rank of the 4 since I thought it was the only one with more then a couple favorites. Obviously I put myself first, but yeah.
I didn't say it was the easiest division to rank, but I just thought it was the division I thought was the less impressive of the four. There's a few teams that I really like though, so I'm pretty sure the team that will go out of the division will be very competitive against the other 3.
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Originally Posted by Leafs Forever
I think the idea is to remove influence that team's ranking has on voting.
Perhaps we should not even release the regular season standing before the end of the playoffs, and only Sturm and 70's should know them. They are the one starting the playoff thread, so they could just announce which of the two teams have home-ice advantage.
I think the idea is to remove influence that team's ranking has on voting.
Exactly. The team I have listed first in the OP has home ice, but I'm not going to include the regular season seed, which is just a number, this year moreso than ever before.
Jeez...I think the René Lecavalier is arguably the strongest division in this. I see at least three legitimate contenders for the title there, but that's just one man's opinion.
I agree. Rene Lecavalier is really, really strong.
My biggest surprise - Atlanta's low finish. I thought the lack of physicality at forward might hurt them in the playoffs when thing tighten up, but I thought they were an excellent regular season team.
Thanks to everyone who broke with ATD "everyone who played before 1926 sucked" tradition and voted for me team. I expected to finish anywhere from 1st to 4th so I'm not taking anyhow for granted. Nor should anyone else; with teams this close, seeding matters little except for home ice advantage in game 7.
I'm not gonna lie I had Atlanta lower, but I think that mostly speaks to how strong that division is. I do wish I had them higher though having thought about it further. Sorry DoMakc. We'll see what happens in the playoffs.
My biggest surprise - Atlanta's low finish. I thought the lack of physicality at forward might hurt them in the playoffs when thing tighten up, but I thought they were an excellent regular season team.
Thanks to everyone who broke with ATD "everyone who played before 1926 sucked" tradition and voted for me team. I expected to finish anywhere from 1st to 4th so I'm not taking anyhow for granted. Nor should anyone else; with teams this close, seeding matters little except for home ice advantage in game 7.
Agree about Atlanta...out of all the teams they had the biggest drop from where I ranked them to where they actually finished
Might as well wait until round 25 to take a goalie next year based on these rankings.
That's my thought as well, but didn't wanted to comment, as people would of seen that as a purposely biased comment (I own Hasek). We really turn the wheel 180 degrees on this one, and I definitely don't agree. Goaltender will always be the most important piece of any winning teams. People writing down that you can win with any goaltenders in the ATD, I think, doesn't take into consideration that the caliber of play is greatly superior in the ATD, a fact they seems to take into consideration with any other position, but in between the pipes.
But I stand by my team concept. I believe goaltenders will stand far more in the eyes of the voters in a one-on-one series. We'll see!
That's my thought as well, but didn't wanted to comment, as people would of seen that as a purposely biased comment (I own Hasek). We really turn the wheel 180 degrees on this one, and I definitely don't agree. Goaltender will always be the most important piece of any winning teams. People writing down that you can win with any goaltenders in the ATD, I think, doesn't take into consideration that the caliber of play is greatly superior in the ATD, a fact they seems to take into consideration with any other position, but in between the pipes.
But I stand by my team concept. I believe goaltenders will stand far more in the eyes of the voters in a one-on-one series. We'll see!
That's not true at all in my opinion.
It happens , just like it happens that the most important piece is a center , winger or defenseman.
The most important piece of a winning team more often than not is the entire composition of it.
I won't value Hasek more than Jean Béliveau or Stan Mikita , I will value them very close to their respective team.
Mm Not always. Many cup winners like New Jersey, Colorado, Boston etc. the most important player is goalie.
Brodeur didn't even win a single Conn Smythe out of 3 tries , Roy is Roy but the team in front of him was clearly better than almost every team in the league and yeah it happened with Boston , just like it happened that other players in differant position were more valuable.
I'm not ******** on goalies at all , but I won't value them more than any other player.
That's my thought as well, but didn't wanted to comment, as people would of seen that as a purposely biased comment (I own Hasek). We really turn the wheel 180 degrees on this one, and I definitely don't agree. Goaltender will always be the most important piece of any winning teams. People writing down that you can win with any goaltenders in the ATD, I think, doesn't take into consideration that the caliber of play is greatly superior in the ATD, a fact they seems to take into consideration with any other position, but in between the pipes.
But I stand by my team concept. I believe goaltenders will stand far more in the eyes of the voters in a one-on-one series. We'll see!
Getting a strong goaltender early means the rest of your team will be weaker. That's just fact. It's what you do with the cards that are dealt to you that is more important than anything else in the ATD.
That's my thought as well, but didn't wanted to comment, as people would of seen that as a purposely biased comment (I own Hasek). We really turn the wheel 180 degrees on this one, and I definitely don't agree. Goaltender will always be the most important piece of any winning teams. People writing down that you can win with any goaltenders in the ATD, I think, doesn't take into consideration that the caliber of play is greatly superior in the ATD, a fact they seems to take into consideration with any other position, but in between the pipes.
But I stand by my team concept. I believe goaltenders will stand far more in the eyes of the voters in a one-on-one series. We'll see!
I agree that on average, goalie is the single most important position. But is the value there in the ATD?
Look at it this way - you picked Hasek over Red Kelly (and several great forwards) in the first round. If you waited until the 5th round, you could have had Belfour or Gardiner, both clear steps down from Hasek. But you would have Red Kelly instead of Jan Suchy. And IMO, the gap between Kelly and Suchy is much larger than between Hasek and Belfour/Gardiner (or whatever later goalies you think may have been steals).
Other GMs obviously disagree, but I don't seem myself ever taking a goalie in the first round. IIRC, your championship team in ATD12 is the only one to ever take a goalie in the first round.
That's my thought as well, but didn't wanted to comment, as people would of seen that as a purposely biased comment (I own Hasek). We really turn the wheel 180 degrees on this one, and I definitely don't agree. Goaltender will always be the most important piece of any winning teams. People writing down that you can win with any goaltenders in the ATD, I think, doesn't take into consideration that the caliber of play is greatly superior in the ATD, a fact they seems to take into consideration with any other position, but in between the pipes.
But I stand by my team concept. I believe goaltenders will stand far more in the eyes of the voters in a one-on-one series. We'll see!
I'd agree with that when the difference between goaltenders is pretty significant, and the difference between the teams isn't. I'm not a huge fan of the "wait to draft a goalie" theory personally. I prefer to have a goalie that can easily be considered "top 10" in an all time sense, but what am I giving up in the process? Just have to make sure you get good value elsewhere at other positions when you can if you don't wait. If you get an elite goalie, you're passing on an elite player elsewhere. If you can find players capable of playing at a high enough level, especially as a unit, then IMO the elite goalie should be able to make the difference in the playoffs.
I will be interested to see what kind of influence the Top Goalies project has on the next ATD when that comes up. The influence it had on the defensive selections was flat out obvious this year.
It happens , just like it happens that the most important piece is a center , winger or defenseman.
The most important piece of a winning team more often than not is the entire composition of it.
I won't value Hasek more than Jean Béliveau or Stan Mikita , I will value them very close to their respective team.
I'm not saying that Hasek is more valuable than Beliveau or Mikita, I'm saying that I believe it is wrong to think that the difference between Beliveau/Mikita and a weak #1 centre is far greater than the difference between a Hasek/Roy and a weak #1 goaltender, which alot of GM's around here believe so. I feel far more comfortable with an elite goaltender and a weak centre coming into the playoffs, than the other way around, that's very sure.
