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04-01-2012, 02:09 AM
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Chan's offense doesn't feature a vertical-threat TE. It just doesn't. People need to start accepting this.

Is that old-fashioned and out-of-step with the modern NFL? Yes. But it's just the way we operate. And we were scoring plenty of points as it was early last season.

The Bills will not be sinking important draft assets into a TE. We all need to get over that.
Quick who had the 2nd most touchdowns and caught the third most passes (not including running backs).... oh thats right the TE Scott Chandler.

(Catches, Yards, TD)

Steve Johnson 76 1004 7
David Nelson 61 658 5
Fred Jackson 39 442 0
C.J. Spiller 39 269 2
Scott Chandler 38 389 6

Bills used their TE sparingly because it's Chandler..... image if they had a premiere TE. Gailey used screen plays often last year and when teams figured that out they blocked it and cut off the run game. Last year they spent a lot of draft picks on the defense. Now spent them on the offense. If they focused on getting a 2nd WR, TE and OT they could be a power offense for years to come. I trust Nix though, he'll figure it out.

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04-01-2012, 06:00 AM
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Quick who had the 2nd most touchdowns and caught the third most passes (not including running backs).... oh thats right the TE Scott Chandler.

(Catches, Yards, TD)

Steve Johnson 76 1004 7
David Nelson 61 658 5
Fred Jackson 39 442 0
C.J. Spiller 39 269 2
Scott Chandler 38 389 6

Bills used their TE sparingly because it's Chandler..... image if they had a premiere TE. Gailey used screen plays often last year and when teams figured that out they blocked it and cut off the run game. Last year they spent a lot of draft picks on the defense. Now spent them on the offense. If they focused on getting a 2nd WR, TE and OT they could be a power offense for years to come. I trust Nix though, he'll figure it out.
HNG specifically said the TE isn't featured as a vertical threat. If Chan did, it would be difficult for Chandler to have much success. Even not considering the "vertical threat" part, being the 5th most popular target isn't really being "featured" in any way.

I'm not familiar with Fleener and whether or not he could at times line up as a wideout or if he could truly be a vertical threat from the TE position, but I wouldn't consider a TE in my top 3-4 positions of need. Chandler was a check down target and a big body redzone threat. Two things he's more than capable of doing. We need WR depth to put out 3-4 wide and take men out of the box for the running game and give Fitz tons of options in the quick passing game. I'd rather take Wright or Hill with a late first instead of Fleener/TE.

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Mayock likes Gilmore to the Bills.

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HNG specifically said the TE isn't featured as a vertical threat. If Chan did, it would be difficult for Chandler to have much success. Even not considering the "vertical threat" part, being the 5th most popular target isn't really being "featured" in any way.

I'm not familiar with Fleener and whether or not he could at times line up as a wideout or if he could truly be a vertical threat from the TE position, but I wouldn't consider a TE in my top 3-4 positions of need. Chandler was a check down target and a big body redzone threat. Two things he's more than capable of doing. We need WR depth to put out 3-4 wide and take men out of the box for the running game and give Fitz tons of options in the quick passing game. I'd rather take Wright or Hill with a late first instead of Fleener/TE.
They don't use any kind of vertical threat because their QB doesn't have the arm for it. Who their TE is makes little difference in that regard. If they had a TE who could stretch the field and a QB who could get him the ball, Chan would use it.

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04-01-2012, 11:13 AM
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Quick who had the 2nd most touchdowns and caught the third most passes (not including running backs).... oh thats right the TE Scott Chandler.

(Catches, Yards, TD)

Steve Johnson 76 1004 7
David Nelson 61 658 5
Fred Jackson 39 442 0
C.J. Spiller 39 269 2
Scott Chandler 38 389 6

Bills used their TE sparingly because it's Chandler..... image if they had a premiere TE. Gailey used screen plays often last year and when teams figured that out they blocked it and cut off the run game. Last year they spent a lot of draft picks on the defense. Now spent them on the offense. If they focused on getting a 2nd WR, TE and OT they could be a power offense for years to come. I trust Nix though, he'll figure it out.
Ignoring the RBs defeats the purpose though as it just shows how big of a role the RBs play in the offense. The fact is Gailey has never used a TE as a primary focus in his offense, be it in Pittsburgh, Miami, here or even Georgia Tech. If it was a priority, I'm sure it would have been addressed by now. They've had plenty of chances to get other tight ends over the last two offseasons. It's not because it's Chandler, it's because that's Gailey's style.

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04-01-2012, 01:00 PM
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Chandler has a role in the offense and he's a good fit. Would it be nice to have an elite TE? Sure, but there are far bigger holes on the team.

I think getting a TE2 though who is a good run blocker would be a good idea, especially down near the goal line.

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04-01-2012, 06:59 PM
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Gronk is the first Gronk in the history of TEs, imo. Hoping to find the next Gronk conveniently as the top-rated TE in the next draft after the original Gronk is a little silly, imo.

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04-01-2012, 09:06 PM
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With the Sabres out, I'm ready for the draft.

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04-01-2012, 09:27 PM
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I think Gilmore could be a real possibility. He's been moving up draft boards. A dark horse for sure.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664166

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/...he-Clock-Bills

Williams + Gilmore/Kirkpatrick would be a good young tandem. McGee moves to nickel. Florence and McKelvin can fight for a roster spot. Rogers should contribute on special teams.

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I think Gilmore could be a real possibility. He's been moving up draft boards. A dark horse for sure.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664166

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/...he-Clock-Bills

Williams + Gilmore/Kirkpatrick would be a good young tandem. McGee moves to nickel. Florence and McKelvin can fight for a roster spot. Rogers should contribute on special teams.
It's because Gilmore has absurdly remarkable quickness for a guy his size. 6'1, 190... Would be a welcomed addition to our secondary IMO. He is also the only CB I'd take at ten that would realistically be available. If not him, gimme an OT or Floyd - fill a position of need with a guy who can come in and compete/make an impact immediately.

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A. I took out the Running Backs because they're normally catching screen plays (which imo is like a running play)

B. You can't say that Gailey wouldn't use an elite TE. As Chiefs OC Tony Gonzalez had 96 catches for under 1100 years in 2008. IF the TE is capable he will use him. That was with Tyler Thigpen as QB btw

C. There are bigger needs but Nix draftes for value not needs.

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A. I took out the Running Backs because they're normally catching screen plays (which imo is like a running play)

B. You can't say that Gailey wouldn't use an elite TE. As Chiefs OC Tony Gonzalez had 96 catches for under 1100 years in 2008. IF the TE is capable he will use him. That was with Tyler Thigpen as QB btw

C. There are bigger needs but Nix draftes for value not needs.
C can't be stated as a fact, and shouldn't be stated with such conviction like you do here

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C can't be stated as a fact, and shouldn't be stated with such conviction like you do here
I completely disagree. Since being the Bill's GM he has been known for taking the BPA plan and simple (and he has said as much: see C.J Spiller)

BTW: Was there any truth in the rumor that Nix would be retiring after the draft?

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04-02-2012, 06:11 PM
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BTW: Was there any truth in the rumor that Nix would be retiring after the draft?
No..

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Positions I'd be very happy with at 10:

OT
CB
LB
WR

In that rough order.

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Positions I'd be very happy with at 10:

OT
CB
LB
WR

In that rough order.
I'd flip LB and WR personally. But that's definitely the list.

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Positions I'd be very happy with at 10:

OT
CB
LB
WR

In that rough order.
I know they do need OT and CB the most but Martin/Rieff and Kirkpatrick/Gilmore aren't the most elite at their position. Thats why I would prefer Floyd at 10 b/c some people have him as a better WR than Blackmon. Those are the positions we need though.

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A lot of new mocks have Tannehill moving into the top 5 and Floyd into the top 8. Reiff and Kirkpatrick falling. I'm very very very very very curious if the Bills think Kuechly can play strong side. Either way, he's superior to Sheppard in pass coverage.

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04-03-2012, 11:19 AM
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A lot of new mocks have Tannehill moving into the top 5 and Floyd into the top 8. Reiff and Kirkpatrick falling. I'm very very very very very curious if the Bills think Kuechly can play strong side. Either way, he's superior to Sheppard in pass coverage.
If by superior you mean equally terrible, then yes. Neither of them would ever be playing on 3rd down because their coverage skills are lackluster at best. Just because he got interceptions last year doesn't mean he plays the pass well.

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If by superior you mean equally terrible, then yes. Neither of them would ever be playing on 3rd down because their coverage skills are lackluster at best. Just because he got interceptions last year doesn't mean he plays the pass well.
What about his passes defensed numbers? His 4.58 40? Or if you're going to listen to anything Kiper says, why not Mayock:
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"He's the most instinctive pass defender that I've ever seen as an inside linebacker coming out of college football," Mayock said today.

I'm beginning to think you are the ONLY person that thinks he is terrible in pass coverage



edit: but you don't have to take my word for it, just google Kuechly pass coverage. The consensus is: he isn't terrible. And is actually considered one of the better prospects as regards pass coverage


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Im hoping that those white collars just look bad because thats a bad picture....

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Maybe the white collars are in hopes that more horse collar penalties will be called against their opponents with the white being there to contrast against a pull?

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More pics: http://www.buffalobills.com/media-ce...7-43ce30170cb6

Also, George Wilson mentioned that there will be three jerseys in a tweet: https://twitter.com/#!/GWilson37/sta...15231938854912

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At 4:30 George Wilson will be at the main Bills bar in NYC, with $1 drafts... Sometimes I hate working 11-8

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