The quicker the Kessel era ends, the quicker this team can move fwd. As well documented Burke made a mistake when he thought this was a playoff team in the summer of 09, 3 years out we are no closer to making the playoffs than we were in 09.
The quicker he cuts his losses, the quicker this team can move fwd. No one on this team has earned the right to be untouchable, not sure why some want to hold onto these players that have gotten early tee times year in year out.
Should have rebuilt the old fashioned way, by keeping our picks and making good pick ups like Lupul, Gardiner, Biggs, and Percy. Not this accelerated retool.
As long as the Bruins have Seguin, Hamilton and Rask this will always haunt leafs fans
They should be a cup contender for at least the next decade
Its one thing to score 35 goals, but none of those goals showed any HEART. I'd rather Kessel score 15 goals a season, and have 5 or 6 fights a year and lead the league in blocked shots and hits! As we showed last night; we outhit the Bruins on the stat sheet and that was way better than their 8 goals.
It wouldn't be as bad if it wasn't a division rival. This will go down as the worst trade in Leafs history. Burke needs to be fired for the Kessel trade alone. He's a buffoon.
It wouldn't be as bad if it wasn't a division rival. This will go down as the worst trade in Leafs history. Burke needs to be fired for the Kessel trade alone. He's a buffoon.
Nonis traded Bertuzzi, I wonder what he would do if he were GM of the Leafs? Trade Kessel. It was a bad trade in retrospect at the wrong time, Kessel would have been the right pick up if we had a franchise player, A big C on the team already where he could compliment that player. But Burke placed him in the franchise role, thought we were close, and blew 2 high picks by overestimating his team. Burke's certainly in the hot seat, and he has earned the heat.
It wouldn't be as bad if it wasn't a division rival. This will go down as the worst trade in Leafs history. Burke needs to be fired for the Kessel trade alone. He's a buffoon.
Agreed. This is way worse than the Scott Niedermayer trade because this time the player we got back is going to be in the league a long time and will always be scoring enough goals for us to remember about this trade. We will always be reminded about this trade with Kessel scoring 30-40 goals a year and bringing back something tangible.
Whereas when we traded Niedermayer, who became an obvious hall-of-famer and all that, Kurvers was only a Leaf just over a season so we forgot about it so quickly. That was way better.
I'd trade the 90 some-odd goals Kessel has scored for us in a second in exchange for a bag of pucks so we could just forget it never happened. Even if he is Top 5 in offensive categories, this is way worse than giving away Scott Niedermayer.
Its one thing to score 35 goals, but none of those goals showed any HEART. I'd rather Kessel score 15 goals a season, and have 5 or 6 fights a year and lead the league in blocked shots and hits! As we showed last night; we outhit the Bruins on the stat sheet and that was way better than their 8 goals.
Yeah, we'd be set if Phil Kessel scored 15 goals a season. Then all we'd need is...a 30 goal scorer!
Its one thing to score 35 goals, but none of those goals showed any HEART. I'd rather Kessel score 15 goals a season, and have 5 or 6 fights a year and lead the league in blocked shots and hits! As we showed last night; we outhit the Bruins on the stat sheet and that was way better than their 8 goals.
You'd rather turn Kessel into Clutterbuck? ...then we'd need a 30+ goal scoring winger
Yeah, we'd be set if Phil Kessel scored 15 goals a season. Then all we'd need is...a 30 goal scorer!
No. Our best players are clearly the problem. It has nothing to do with the fact that we have two or three NHL players. It has nothing to do that only three or four forwards are any good, and 2 or 3 defensemen can play without being total liabilities, and no NHL goalies.
The problem is Kessel doesn't fight and hit and Dion isn't winning the Norris Trophy and isn't a "leader". Trade them for anything at this point. I'd rather get a two-way center who can play in our bottom six and a veteran defender who is a vocal leader in the room. I'm thinking like a Cory Sarich type.
Not only is it not the worst trade in Leaf history, it's not even the worst deal we've made with the Bruins in recent years.
Rask would look good for the Leafs right now, Barry Trapp our former head scout loved this guy, and we canned Trapp. I knew Trapper and knew he loved Rask. Knew it was a bad move when we traded him.
Everytime Seguin outplays Kessel head to head it just makes this trade look worse and worse.
I keep hearing Kessel has Chara on him but you don't go -17 and play intimidated against the team that is mocking your name.
Again Stamkos just came off a 2 goal game against Chara, he's not invincable as shown recently against Florida and Pitt. Tired of the excuses, time to face reality. Kessel has got to go for this team to move fwd, if he doesn't then get in a GM that will work out a deal so this team can wipe the slate clean.
No. Our best players are clearly the problem. It has nothing to do with the fact that we have two or three NHL players. It has nothing to do that only three or four forwards are any good, and 2 or 3 defensemen can play without being total liabilities, and no NHL goalies.
The problem is Kessel doesn't fight and hit and Dion isn't winning the Norris Trophy and isn't a "leader". Trade them for anything at this point. I'd rather get a two-way center who can play in our bottom six and a veteran defender who is a vocal leader in the room. I'm thinking like a Cory Sarich type.
It was an issue with the Raptors during the Bosh rebuild. For as great as his stats were and for as many variations of complimentary parts they tried they were never able to take that next step. Bosh just wasn't a leader and didn't make the players around him better.
I like Kessel but he can't be your best player and isn't a leader. If Burke can add a better player without moving Kessel great.
Nash seems like the most logical solution or you wait and hopefully draft one
Not only is it not the worst trade in Leaf history, it's not even the worst deal we've made with the Bruins in recent years.
Yeah but we're losing so it makes sense (in bizarro world) to trade away a young player that hasn't hit his prime yet but is already top 5 in the entire world production wise.
We might even get really lucky, one of the mystery box pieces he's traded for so that we can start over again might eventually turn into a player as good as Kessel one day. Or the mystery box could end up being a complete bust and we're watching Kessel putting up 40/40 with ease playing on another team for the next decade or so.
Tired of the excuses, time to face reality. Kessel has got to go for this team to move fwd, if he doesn't then get in a GM that will work out a deal so this team can wipe the slate clean.
No. Our best players are clearly the problem. It has nothing to do with the fact that we have two or three NHL players. It has nothing to do that only three or four forwards are any good, and 2 or 3 defensemen can play without being total liabilities, and no NHL goalies.
The problem is Kessel doesn't fight and hit and Dion isn't winning the Norris Trophy and isn't a "leader". Trade them for anything at this point. I'd rather get a two-way center who can play in our bottom six and a veteran defender who is a vocal leader in the room. I'm thinking like a Cory Sarich type.
???? what's wrong with you? We're losing because one of our best players can't fight. We're losing because we don't have enough good talent, our supporting cast 3rd and 4th liners suck or aren't doing their jobs, and our goalie is questionable. And against Boston for some odd reason, the team is afraid of them. Look at the goals yesterday, they were east west plays, goalie confusions, and defencemen losing track of the puck.
It was an issue with the Raptors during the Bosh rebuild. For as great as his stats were and for as many variations of complimentary parts they tried they were never able to take that next step. Bosh just wasn't a leader and didn't make the players around him better.
I like Kessel but he can't be your best player and isn't a leader. If Burke can add a better player without moving Kessel great.
Nash seems like the most logical solution or you wait and hopefully draft one
In all seriousness, I totally understand that one piece isn't enough and Kessel isn't good enough to carry a team. Not many players are. Steve Yzerman had a helluva supporting cast. Joe Sakic had Peter Forsberg.
I am 100% against trading Kessel however, and I really don't agree that Nash would be a significant upgrade. Kessel can be the Marian Gaborik of your team though. He is one of the pieces you need to win because contrary to my sarcastic front, I do realize that goals win games.
Just because Kessel isn't enough doesn't mean we should get rid of him. Bring in other pieces. Seguin wouldn't be enough here either. Even Stamkos isn't enough in Tampa and he has a #1 (Vinny), #2 (Hedman), and #6 (Connolly) overall picks on the same squad, not to mention Martin St. Louis.
People who are upset Kessel isn't carrying the team on his back into the playoffs have unrealistic expectations because there is not one forward in NHL who can do that.
Hopefully for someone who isn't afraid to show up for a game against Boston, a team that risked losing him for picks because they held such a low regard for him.
If that doesn't get you up for a game, the kessel chants and watching Seguin outplay you should.
Sure...lets cut bait on the one legit scorer we have. Ill take any of the following packages, on behalf of Brian Burke, The Toronto Maple Leafs, and Leaf Nation:
1.
Kessel to VAN
Kadri to VAN
Reimer to VAN
Schenn to VAN
Luongo to TOR
Kesler to TOR
2.
Kessel to MINN
Reimer to MINN
Backstrom to TOR
Granlund to TOR
3.
Kessel to CBJ
Kadri to CBJ
Reimer to CBJ
Nash to TOR
Mason to TOR
4.
Kessel to ANA
Reimer to ANA
Schenn to ANA
Hiller to TOR
Ryan to TOR
rights to Schultz to TOR
5.
Kessel to ANA
Grabovski to ANA
Kulemin to ANA
Schenn to ANA
2012 1st to ANA
2013 1st to ANA
Getzlaf to TOR
Ryan to TOR
rights to Schultz to TOR
