Oh, and Rogers Arena proudly announces and promotes a "tattle tale service" where by any person getting to rowdy can be tattled on via text message.
With the way the suits dirty look a rowdy fan who cheers a bit too loudly, I wouldn't be surprised if people egregiously texted complaints.
I've heard this happen many times..just for simply cheering. Ridiculous. Security at Rogers Arena plays a big part too. Can't tell you how many times people have been asked to quiet down because they were cheering too loud. Mind boggling.
I think that he raises a very good point. What if the atmosphere sucks at Rogers Arena not because of the type of crowd that goes to the games, but because the building managment stifles any opportunity for the fans to get engaged with the game? If they layed off with the loud music in between breaks in play, would we find that less was actually more when it comes to making the crowd more lively?
Well, if they layed off the music the advertisements they blare at the crowd would be that much more jarring.
The fact is, it's a double-edged sword. So many of the things that lead traditionalists to complain ("the atmosphere is terrible," "the average fan has been priced out," etc.) are totally and completely true, but are also what allows the organization to circumvent the cap with contract extensions, take on a Steve Reinprecht in order to get a David Booth, etc.
Would Canucks fans honestly be happier with a louder building and better atmosphere if the trade-off was that the team didn't have a financial advantage over most of the league?
It's funny but in the Mike Gillis era, now that a player has mentioned it, I almost expect him to get a committee of some sort on it. Hire a Crowd Noise Doctor to go with our Sleep Doctor.
But seriously, I'm glad the media is discussing this.
The idea that someone who wears a suit can't possibly be a true fan is so ridiculous.
One's profession or attire does not dictate one's propensity to cheer.
Get over your petty inferiority complex.
Obviously never been to a game.
Suits=ruin the atmosphere.
And no, it isn't "just the way it is in Vancouver". Whitecap games are loud, LIons games with 25,000 people in a 80,000 person stadium get louder. Games at Pacific Colosseum used to be awesome.
Do the Whitecaps have a "tattle service" for the suits?
The idea that someone who wears a suit can't possibly be a true fan is so ridiculous.
One's profession or attire does not dictate one's propensity to cheer.
Get over your petty inferiority complex.
I don't think it has anything to do with an inferiority complex. I think a lot of people have great jobs and wear JERSEYS to the games. I rarely ever see anyone in a suit cheering. And why the hell wear a suit to the game? To have a meeting with a client. Yeah, those are the people that see it as a social event. I think that itself says it all. Throw a Canucks jersey on.
Canucks games are a social event. It's a place to 'be seen,' so many people filling the seats aren't really into hockey anyway.
This is true but the root cause is an inordinate number of corporate season ticket holders - whether held in the corporate name or in their personal xxx corporation.
Now if you're taking an important customer to a hockey game (or are the guest), are you going to be rowdy? Not unless you want to lose a customer (or supplier). Same thing applies to gifted to employees/customers/etc... they know these are company ST's and word will get back.
Ownership has no incentive to want more regular joe's at the games because a) STH makes for a much more stable revenue stream and b) corporate customers are for the most part price inelastic (they take price increases and keep sending the cheques in) whereas the average joe is a lot more price elastic.
At the same time, those corporate customers are wealthy executives and they want protection - rowdiness will definitely be interpreted as aggressive behaviour and security will be called...
My first games at Pac Coliseum was around 1990 and it was rowdy everywhere - lots of blue collar fans and beer flowing. Much worse than at the Montreal Forum. Now its the opposite - completely different crowd in the lower bowls at least.
I've suggested a partial solution to this in the past - whatever tickets haven't showed up after the 1st period, release the tickets to the public (on a first come first serve controlled manner) at half price (pro-rated). Would increase the noise level and give people a chance to go to games that otherwise couldn't afford it. Proceeds could be donated to charity. Win Win Win.
In addition to all the reasons above - I remember reading somewhere that they designed the stadium acoustics/architecture to emphasize quality over volume.
So they catered to the music events as opposed to the Canucks, which is pretty lame.
This is true but the root cause is an inordinate number of corporate season ticket holders - whether held in the corporate name or in their personal xxx corporation.
Now if you're taking an important customer to a hockey game (or are the guest), are you going to be rowdy? Not unless you want to lose a customer (or supplier). Same thing applies to gifted to employees/customers/etc... they know these are company ST's and word will get back.
Ownership has no incentive to want more regular joe's at the games because a) STH makes for a much more stable revenue stream and b) corporate customers are for the most part price inelastic (they take price increases and keep sending the cheques in) whereas the average joe is a lot more price elastic.
At the same time, those corporate customers are wealthy executives and they want protection - rowdiness will definitely be interpreted as aggressive behaviour and security will be called...
My first games at Pac Coliseum was around 1990 and it was rowdy everywhere - lots of blue collar fans and beer flowing. Much worse than at the Montreal Forum. Now its the opposite - completely different crowd in the lower bowls at least.
I've suggested a partial solution to this in the past - whatever tickets haven't showed up after the 1st period, release the tickets to the public (on a first come first serve controlled manner) at half price (pro-rated). Would increase the noise level and give people a chance to go to games that otherwise couldn't afford it. Proceeds could be donated to charity. Win Win Win.
Edit: suits usually don't wear suits to games
Are we talking about cheering? Or are we talking about being "rowdy" as you put it?
They are not one in the same.
I'm all for cheering, yelling, chants etc. I'm not for drunken idiots screaming obscenities, spilling drinks on people and starting fights with rival fans.
In addition to all the reasons above - I remember reading somewhere that they designed the stadium acoustics/architecture to emphasize quality over volume.
So they catered to the music events as opposed to the Canucks, which is pretty lame.
Until you see your favourite band in Vancouver, then it rules.
And no, it isn't "just the way it is in Vancouver". Whitecap games are loud, LIons games with 25,000 people in a 80,000 person stadium get louder. Games at Pacific Colosseum used to be awesome.
Do the Whitecaps have a "tattle service" for the suits?
Lol.
The tattle tale service is for families tired of drunken, loud "superfans". You know, when you are with your kids and get tired of '******* this and ******* that' and 'sit down or I'll ********* kill you' crowd.
Sounds like a thread full of old people trying to remember the good old days and the youngsters that have never been to a game.
Are we talking about cheering? Or are we talking about being "rowdy" as you put it?
I've been to at least a few Canucks games a year since 1992. If you think "Rowdy" circa 1992 is anything like the definition of "rowdy" today you must be 103 years old with a hearing aid and vision problems.
People at the game that take any time to do business, do stuff on face book and twitter, surf the internet, and blab with friends about the weekend are simply not my idea of ideal fans. They absolutely have the right to be there, but come on. There are fans that would be loud and proud in there if they could claw for some tickets.
And no, it isn't "just the way it is in Vancouver". Whitecap games are loud, LIons games with 25,000 people in a 80,000 person stadium get louder. Games at Pacific Colosseum used to be awesome.
There's a reason there's only 25,000 people in an 80,000 person stadium for Lions games. It's because so many people who would take their families to games stay away precisely because there is no "tattle tale service" as you put it.
There is so much piss poor behaviour (not to be confused with actual fan support and cheering) tolerated at those games, that it has driven away people who would otherwise attend on a regular basis.
The tattle tale service is for families tired of drunken, loud "superfans". You know, when you are with your kids and get tired of '******* this and ******* that' and 'sit down or I'll ********* kill you' crowd.
Sounds like a thread full of old people trying to remember the good old days and the youngsters that have never been to a game.
There's nothing wrong with being loud. And the security is necessary but certainly overzealous
I've been to at least a few Canucks games a year since 1992. If you think "Rowdy" circa 1992 is anything like the definition of "rowdy" today you must be 103 years old with a hearing aid and vision problems.
People at the game that take any time to do business, do stuff on face book and twitter, surf the internet, and blab with friends about the weekend are simply not my idea of ideal fans.
Are we talking about cheering? Or are we talking about being "rowdy" as you put it?
Poor choice of words - by rowdy I mean voicing your emotions which entails both cheering and yelling, whether at the other team, refs or even at our own players - yelling and swearing at other fans (and anything else for that matter) is clearly unacceptable and should not to be tolerated. Btw, I remember once yelling at Moreau for cross checking Henrik in the back and my host turned and stared at me
On the plus side Ottawa is worse, I was pretty much the only person cheering and I'm not even a fan of the team.
I remember during Linden's final game a chant finally got going for him and boom, ****** music gets blasted over it, cutting everyone off.
That's because half of them are civil servants who aren't supposed to be at the game (fed. govt rules) so they have to lay low from the other half who are scanning the place with binoculars looking for their office nemesis.
Having seen the Canucks play in every Canadian city I would rank Rogers Arena with Toronto/Ottawa. Montreal is #1 followed by Calgary and then Edmonton. Calgary has the best pre-game intros.
There's nothing wrong with being loud. And the security is necessary but certainly overzealous
I do not think you understand what I said. I also do not think you sit in the lower bowl with us 'suits'.
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Anyone that would like to send me $420 for my 2 lower bowl seats Saturday, pm me. You can be super awesome fans and the tickets will be in the correct hands. You can talk to the people near me that have been sth since 1970 or even before. They are suits too, lol.
Until you see your favourite band in Vancouver, then it rules.
That's the thing - I don't really like rock music. More of a dj guy, and not the type of dj's that would play at Rogers.
So for me I would've far preferred it if they had designed the building to be loud - and as the arena was built with the Canucks in mind, I don't that that's an unreasonable preference.
A great example of a stadium built for volume is CenturyLink field in Seattle. If they had built the Rog along similar lines it would've made Canucks games far more enjoyable.
