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03-16-2012, 04:51 PM
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If Poile is counting on Radulov just giving the finger to the KHL and the remaining month on his contract, I think we're sunk. For whatever reason, Radulov has chosen to do this "the right way" this time, so unless the league grants him some sort of exception, I think all we can do is start hoping it happens this summer.

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I don't think anything really groundbreaking was said in this Poile interview. It's pretty much just a re-hash of what we all have discussed on here. Poile never touched on the KHL or international rules, which appears to be the hold up right now.

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I don't think anything really groundbreaking was said in this Poile interview. It's pretty much just a re-hash of what we all have discussed on here. Poile never touched on the KHL or international rules, which appears to be the hold up right now.
He did touch on it. He said he can come and play right now for us. No limitation other then our suspention.

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He did touch on it. He said he can come and play right now for us. No limitation other then our suspention.
I think he was just referring to NHL rules, ie waivers

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I think he was just referring to NHL rules, ie waivers
He was referring to transfer card, which is IIHF thing. No other legal limitation other then our suspention.

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He was referring to transfer card, which is IIHF thing. No other legal limitation other then our suspention.
That still doesn't cover Ufa letting him go. Sounds like Radulov doesn't want to do anything against the rules. Poile has always maintained that he knows nothing about Radulov's contract and never talks about KHL law. He's shown in the past that he and the NHL don't always have the right answers when it comes to this stuff.

The way I see it, the only realistic solutions are:
-KHL letting Ufa keep Radulov's rights after mutual release
-Radulov coming over despite KHL law, which may or may not have consequences down the road

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So if Poile has now mentioned a timeline, it's do or die time. Poile is putting it all on Radulov's shoulders, and rightfully so. Poile usually doesn't say much but when he does, things usually happen. Come on Rad's.

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I have a feeling Rads will negotiate something with Ufa that will allow him to come over to NSH for the stretch drive to burn that final year of his NHL ELC. The timing couldn't be more perfect for him -- he only has to play a handful of games.

Rads' agent should have some unknown KHL levers to utilize that will get Ufa to the negotiating table (perhaps abstaining from playing in the World Championships or Olympics or something that would have the Russian federation put pressure on Ufa). But Rads will have to offer something of substance to Ufa to get it done. Ufa knows that Rads has to much money at stake with him trying to get to NHL UFA status at minimum opportunity cost as possible.

His negotiation with Ufa could get pretty creative.





As for next season, I doubt that we see Rads back in the NHL then. Sadly, I think he signs in the KHL again next season that sees him playing there until he reaches 27 years old or whatever age the new NHL CBA will set as the threshold for unrestricted free agency status.

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As for next season, I doubt that we see Rads back in the NHL then. Sadly, I think next season he signs another deal with a KHL team and plays there until he reaches 27 years old or whatever age the new NHL CBA will set as the threshold for unrestricted free agency status.
Just curious, why? Radulov told Poile not to trade him, so it doesn't seem like the problem was playing for Nashville, it was just playing in the NHL in general.

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Just curious, why? Radulov told Poile not to trade him, so it doesn't seem like the problem was playing for Nashville, it was just playing in the NHL in general.
Rads seems pretty concerned about playing it by the book this time around. I think that's because he has plans on returning to the KHL in the short-term but without it having to be in Ufa -- where he's apparently unhappy.

With regard to the NHL, I get the sense Radulov is all about getting to NHL UFA status. Telling NSH he doesn't necessarily want his rights traded somewhere else is in indication to me that he has no interest at all in playing any RFA years in the NHL. Why bother requesting a trade if you're only interested in truly coming back until you are an unrestricted free agent.

(Here's a guess where he wants to play next season: if he and that Russian singer, Nyusha, are still an item, I suspect he'll go play with one of the Moscow teams if the money is right. Guess where she's from?)


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I have a feeling Rads will negotiate something with Ufa that will allow him to come over to NSH for the stretch drive to burn that final year of his NHL ELC. The timing couldn't be more perfect for him -- he only has to play a handful of games.

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His negotiation with Ufa could get pretty creative.




As for next season, I doubt that we see Rads back in the NHL then. Sadly, I think he signs in the KHL again next season that sees him playing there until he reaches 27 years old or whatever age the new NHL CBA will set as the threshold for unrestricted free agency status.

I'm sure he wants to become an UFA ASAP so that he can sign with a real contender with deep pockets. Probably Vancouver. The he and Weber can play together and win a Cup, something that will never happen in Nashville.

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I'm sure he wants to become an UFA ASAP so that he can sign with a real contender with deep pockets. Probably Vancouver. The he and Weber can play together and win a Cup, something that will never happen in Nashville.
No, I think its probably to Broadway (NYC) that he'd like to go in ~2014.

NSH has a good chance at the cup this season -- another reason (despite it being less meaningful to him than money) that it is optimal for him to come over now to burn that last ELC year.

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So really it's just a gut feeling you have, because I'm not seeing the connection between Radulov saying "No, don't trade me. I want to play for Nashville" and "Radulov has no interest in playing for Nashville whatsoever."

Or do you mean it doesn't necessarily matter where he plays, he just wants a UFA contract as soon as possible? I could see him signing with Nashville just until he reaches UFA status, and then decides what to do from there. But coming to NA, then back to Russia, then back NA again just seems like a convoluted way of simply trying to get UFA status. IMO, once he comes over, he's staying (assuming things go well for him here).

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I have a feeling Rads will negotiate something with Ufa that will allow him to come over to NSH for the stretch drive to burn that final year of his NHL ELC. The timing couldn't be more perfect for him -- he only has to play a handful of games.

Rads' agent should have some unknown KHL levers to utilize that will get Ufa to the negotiating table (perhaps abstaining from playing in the World Championships or Olympics or something that would have the Russian federation put pressure on Ufa). But Rads will have to offer something of substance to Ufa to get it done. Ufa knows that Rads has to much money at stake with him trying to get to NHL UFA status at minimum opportunity cost as possible.

His negotiation with Ufa could get pretty creative.





As for next season, I doubt that we see Rads back in the NHL then. Sadly, I think he signs in the KHL again next season that sees him playing there until he reaches 27 years old or whatever age the new NHL CBA will set as the threshold for unrestricted free agency status.
He will not be allowed to sign in the KHL. He will be RFA with NHL and that does not allow you to sign any contract with other leagues that NHL has agreement with. Bah...

How many time do I need to repeat this...


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It always cracks me up seeing Rads in that music video.

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He will not be allowed to sign in the KHL. He will be RFA with NHL and that does not allow you to sign any contract with other leagues that NHL has agreement with. Bah...

How many time do I need to repeat this...

That doesn't make any sense.

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That doesn't make any sense.
It makes total sense, it's to prevent exactly what Radulov did... only it was put in place after Radulov jumped ship, and he was excepted from the rule.

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He will not be allowed to sign in the KHL. He will be RFA with NHL and that does not allow you to sign any contract with other leagues that NHL has agreement with. Bah...

How many time do I need to repeat this...

No, this is not true. The transfer agreement only covers players under contract. It does not cover free agents.

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So really it's just a gut feeling you have, because I'm not seeing the connection between Radulov saying "No, don't trade me. I want to play for Nashville" and "Radulov has no interest in playing for Nashville whatsoever."
Yeah, just a gut feeling.

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Or do you mean it doesn't necessarily matter where he plays, he just wants a UFA contract as soon as possible?
He wants to get UFA status/contract asap, but he'd prefer to play in Russia during the two year wait. That's my sense.

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I could see him signing with Nashville just until he reaches UFA status, and then decides what to do from there. But coming to NA, then back to Russia, then back NA again just seems like a convoluted way of simply trying to get UFA status. IMO, once he comes over, he's staying (assuming things go well for him here).
The reason I don't see him signing in NSH is because the RFA deal he would get in the NHL would be inferior to what he'd get in Russia as an unrestricted free agent. Going back and forth doesn't seem convoluted -- especially for this guy -- when you add up the dollars and his personal preference.

But I'm probably wrong. We'll see.

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sorry if this has been said earlier but on XM this afternoon Bill Daly said he expected to be talking to Medvedev this weekend about Radulov.... take that FWIW but if the KHL is serious about making nice with the NHL then the two of them will figure out a way to get Rads over here

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He wants to get UFA status/contract asap, but he'd prefer to play in Russia during the two year wait. That's my sense.



The reason I don't see him signing in NSH is because the RFA deal he would get in the NHL would be inferior to what he'd get in Russia as an unrestricted free agent. Going back and forth doesn't seem convoluted -- especially for this guy -- when you add up the dollars and his personal preference.

But I'm probably wrong. We'll see.
I could see that happening I guess. I could see anything happening with that guy really.

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No, this is not true. The transfer agreement only covers players under contract. It does not cover free agents.

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Yes it is true. Read up the memorandum NHL and KHL signed.
RFA considered property of respected clubs and can't sign anywhere else.

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Yes it is true. Read up the memorandum NHL and KHL signed.
RFA considered property of respected clubs and can't sign anywhere else.
If memory serves me correct, VAN's Sergei Shirokov was an RFA last off-season upon the expiry of his ELC. He went on to sign with Moscow (edit:Dynamo) CSKA this past season. There are probably half a dozen examples I would guess.

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