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03-15-2012, 02:34 PM
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Ben Bishop

Strange value thread I know but on TSN during last nights game it was mentioned that Bishop could be used as trade bait in the off-season.

Bishop has played very solid since coming to Ottawa.

Has he increased his value enough to trade in the offseason?

I was thinking something around

To TBL
Ott 1st
Bishop

To Ott
TBL 1st


So Bishop to move up 10 spots so Ottawa can draft one of the top d-man in the draft

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03-15-2012, 02:43 PM
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Strange value thread I know but on TSN during last nights game it was mentioned that Bishop could be used as trade bait in the off-season.

Bishop has played very solid since coming to Ottawa.

Has he increased his value enough to trade in the offseason?

I was thinking something around

To TBL
Ott 1st
Bishop

To Ott
TBL 1st


So Bishop to move up 10 spots so Ottawa can draft one of the top d-man in the draft
No from Tampa, they could draft Subban/Vasilevski with Detroit's 1st. With their first they could fill a huge spot in their Top 4 with either Trouba/Rielly/Ceci.

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No from Tampa, they could draft Subban/Vasilevski with Detroit's 1st. With their first they could fill a huge spot in their Top 4 with either Trouba/Rielly/Ceci.
I figured those goalies would need a couple more years to develop and Bishop is ready now. I can see that you also need d help as well

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03-15-2012, 02:51 PM
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Very similar value than that which Ottawa paid. I hope they keep Bishop though.. get rid of Anderson. Run a Lehner/Bishop combo for the next 15 years .

-Leaf fan.. but this makes sense to me.. of course I doubt Bishop wants to be a backup.

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03-15-2012, 02:51 PM
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Yep, trade a goalie that you just acquired that is playing like a starter. That's how you build a team.

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03-15-2012, 02:52 PM
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It seems odd that Ottawa would trade him, but if they do I would imagine they'll get back something similar to what they gave up...a middle-ish second round pick. (Tampa has multiple seconds in this upcoming draft, for what it's worth.)

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Why would you want to move him, he's played good and is still young for a goalie.

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03-15-2012, 03:23 PM
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Very similar value than that which Ottawa paid. I hope they keep Bishop though.. get rid of Anderson. Run a Lehner/Bishop combo for the next 15 years .

-Leaf fan.. but this makes sense to me.. of course I doubt Bishop wants to be a backup.
Anderson is so underrated...

Bishop has been good, and don't get me wrong... I like the guy, but he's not as good as Andy.
Anderson has great rebound control, athleticism and is one of the best at playing the puck.
He had a terrible start to the year, which hurt him statistically, but he's been great for most of the year. Outside of Phillips, there isn't really a guy who is a defensive specialist in front of him either.

I think trading Bishop could be a good move, but its probably best to keep him 1 more year.
His value has gone up since the trade IMO, and I think this proposal actually makes sense.

Marty St.Louis isn't getting any younger and neither is Vinny. Waiting for a guy like Vasilevski or Subban to devellop means Marty is retired and Vinny is well past his prime by the time they are NHL ready. Bishop is ready now, and is just entering his prime.

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03-15-2012, 03:26 PM
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It's nice finally having depth in goal. Don't see a reason to trade Bish.

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If Yzerman wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick when we had 4 we certainly are not giving up a high first.

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If Yzerman wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick when we had 4 we certainly are not giving up a high first.
Such a big mistake IMO.

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03-15-2012, 04:11 PM
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No thanks. Bishop will be backup to Andy next year and for the remaining part of this year when he gets back (which looks to be very soon).

I think Lehner needs some development. Anderson has three years left on his contract so we'll see what happens in those three years.

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Such a big mistake IMO.
Don't need him. Tokarski has nearly identical numbers to Bishop and Schneider will be our starter next season anyway.

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Yep, trade a goalie that you just acquired that is playing like a starter. That's how you build a team.
He is a UFA at the end of next year, so if we play this out Ottawa has him as a backup next year and lose him to free agency. Why would he resign as a backup and Lehner breathing down his neck when he could be a potential starter somewhere else. Another option is have Bishop as a backup next year get 20 games before the trade deadline and then trade him and bring up Lehner.

I would be very surprised if Ottawa had all three goalies at the end of next year. So the question is when can Ottawa get max value out of that asset.

I certainly would not trade him for a second, because if he continues to play solid for 8-10 games this year and is now signed through next year I think his value will be closer to a mid to late 1st.

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pretty much agree that if yzerman wasnt prepared to pay a 2nd for bishop (likely a higher one than ottawa's), he's not willing to drop 10 spots in the first for him.

as for the goalie situation in ottawa, just let it play out next year. By the trade deadline we'll know if andy is still the best option for starter, and whether lehner is ready to be a full-time nhler for 13-14. Having 3 nhl capable goalies is not a problem.

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4 games does not change his trade value.

Considering he was just traded for a 2nd round pick, he is worth a second round pick, if that.

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Strange value thread I know but on TSN during last nights game it was mentioned that Bishop could be used as trade bait in the off-season.

Bishop has played very solid since coming to Ottawa.

Has he increased his value enough to trade in the offseason?

I was thinking something around

To TBL
Ott 1st
Bishop

To Ott
TBL 1st


So Bishop to move up 10 spots so Ottawa can draft one of the top d-man in the draft
I never previously understood why teams like Vancouver and Nashville had never traded their established goaltenders, I am beginning to start to gradually understand why they are not so inclined to move them. Ottawa can get 55 Starts from Anderson and 27ish from Bishop and become competitve in every game.

I know this is hypothetical and really early, but lets say that Bishop keeps up the pace next year, maybe Ottawa should consider trading Anderson at the deadline. Anderson will be turning 32 next year and we will have his rights for the next two years, we could move him for an asset instead to retain Bishop long-term.

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I don't see Ottawa trading him in the off season. They're enjoying goaltender depth for what seems like the first time in their history.

Possibly at the deadline next year, but that depends on a whole lot of factors and it's too early to predict. Both he and Lehner will be given a shot to compete at training camp next year and that will have a big influence on Bishop's future with the organization.

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4 games does not change his trade value.

Considering he was just traded for a 2nd round pick, he is worth a second round pick, if that.
I think you are a bit wrong here.

Ottawa was the highest bidder to obtain Bishop service...if Ottawa had to trade him now...we should take Ottawa out of the equation to find out Bishop value and go to the second highest bidder.

I think the second best bidder was probably Tampa with an early 3th round.

Thats why its kinda wrong to say X player got this from Y team, so my Z player similar to X should get about the same value. Since the Y team was the highest bidder for the X player they are now probably out of the market to get player Z. And there could be a significant gap between team Y offer and the second highest bidder.


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Every player acquired at the deadline should go into one big bowl and then teams each pull one guy out like a 70s key party.

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Don't need him. Tokarski has nearly identical numbers to Bishop and Schneider will be our starter next season anyway.

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He is a UFA at the end of next year, so if we play this out Ottawa has him as a backup next year and lose him to free agency. Why would he resign as a backup and Lehner breathing down his neck when he could be a potential starter somewhere else. Another option is have Bishop as a backup next year get 20 games before the trade deadline and then trade him and bring up Lehner.

I would be very surprised if Ottawa had all three goalies at the end of next year. So the question is when can Ottawa get max value out of that asset.

I certainly would not trade him for a second, because if he continues to play solid for 8-10 games this year and is now signed through next year I think his value will be closer to a mid to late 1st.
Upon being traded Bishop signed a 1 way contract with Ottawa. derp

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Upon being traded Bishop signed a 1 way contract with Ottawa. derp
What are you talking about?

I said at the end of next year or am I mising something

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Don't need him. Tokarski has nearly identicalnumbers to Bishop and Schneider will be our starter next season anyway.
? Tokarski has a .901 save percentage this year.

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? Tokarski has a .901 save percentage this year.
on a much worse team. Tokarski was amazing for Canada at the World Juniors a few years ago, I dont know how much he has progrssed since then.

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