See cause I'm an Oil fan too and no one is putting a gun to my head to watch this team stink it up for the last 6 years. Any money I have put towards watching the oil (game tickets, paying my cable bill, food and beer purchased at bar) I did so on my own terms.
You say you are "forced" to watch an inferior product because the NHL has a monopoly? There are 29 other teams you can watch and cheer for. I hear those Detroit Red Wings put a pretty decent product on the ice. Well worth the money I'm told.
And why in the hell is the NHL "allowing" these other leagues to exist. AHL, CHL, KHL, SEL, etc. Who do these leagues think they are?! Don't they know the NHL has a monopoly?
Word to the wise, do what I do. The Oil might be 29th in the NHL, but the Barons and Oil Kings are icing some amazing teams. You get to watch a great product and get to see some of the future faces this organization has to offer.
Yes, yes they do. They are the only top level pro sports league in the world. Sports leagues are allowed to be monopolies, but that doesn't deny that they very much control the market ruthlessly. No other company outside of sports controls a market like pro sports do in NA.
Because it's entertainment and a business, that you're not forced to be a part of...nothing more. Buying a ticket/jersey/hat that costs a lot more because it says NHL on it isn't the same as the only electric company in town increasing their rates 50% per year because they're the only electric company in town.
Yes but a Porsche is a nice car because it has to be due to competition. The NHL can give the fan what ever the NHL wants which according to innumerable comments such as on HF is not what the fans want. I'm forced to pay big buckets for something I don't necessarily like. This is why I am making these comments. If you don't agree and yet complain on other threads about poor officiating, or value of a certain player etc.. then you are a hypocrit.
Ticket prices are based on what the owners are paying the players based on what the gullible consumer will pay.
The NHL and or teams can only sell what the consumer / market will buy.
If you don't want it don't buy it.
You are not forced to buy anything and if you are buying something you don't like how is the NHL or 1 of its clubs to blame?
If you owned the Oil or any other NHL club what would you do re prices etc?
See cause I'm an Oil fan too and no one is putting a gun to my head to watch this team stink it up for the last 6 years. Any money I have put towards watching the oil (game tickets, paying my cable bill, food and beer purchased at bar) I did so on my own terms.
You say you are "forced" to watch an inferior product because the NHL has a monopoly? There are 29 other teams you can watch and cheer for. I hear those Detroit Red Wings put a pretty decent product on the ice. Well worth the money I'm told.
And why in the hell is the NHL "allowing" these other leagues to exist. AHL, CHL, KHL, SEL, etc. Who do these leagues think they are?! Don't they know the NHL has a monopoly?
Word to the wise, do what I do. The Oil might be 29th in the NHL, but the Barons and Oil Kings are icing some amazing teams. You get to watch a great product and get to see some of the future faces this organization has to offer.
I can't afford flying all over the continent to support only the good teams and prefer less travel with the Oilers. What pee's me is overpaying these blokes, getting frustrated by inferior officiating, etc without any say in the product.
I can't afford flying all over the continent to support only the good teams and prefer less travel with the Oilers. What pee's me is overpaying these blokes, getting frustrated by inferior officiating, etc without any say in the product.
If you are going to Oil games (as I do on a regular basis) you are paying market prices.
You are not over paying.
I can't afford flying all over the continent to support only the good teams and prefer less travel with the Oilers.
Who says you have to go to every game? Buy Center Ice and you can follow a bunch of good teams, then buy tickets when they come to town to play the Oil.
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What pee's me is overpaying these blokes, getting frustrated by inferior officiating, etc without any say in the product.
It's already been mentioned, but I'll say it again. You don't have to watch. Nobody is making you watch NHL games.
I have always been somewhat preturbed by how the NHL and pro sports in general seem to be run without really caring what the average joe fan thinks. This from forcing fans to dole out hundreds in tickets to watch an often inferior product (example: my Oilers) to being frustrated by officiating that is so friggin inconsistent neither the players nor the fans no what is a penalty.
I am curious as to what others think. Are fans in general being treated to what they should expect? Should the league be consulting more with the fan base on how the game should be played? Would I be in the minority on this?
This is just such a stupid idea. How would trades go down?
GM A: My fans have voted that they want to trade Player Y for Player X.
GM B: Let me see what my fans say.
1 week later.
GM B: I just got all the votes in from my fans and they would prefer that if we trade Player X it be for player Z.
GM A: Let me see if my fans accept this change.
1 week later.
GM A: That sounds good but you'll have to throw in a 3rd.
GM B:
I'm sure TSN would love all the coverage they would have for Trade Deadline Month
I have always been somewhat preturbed by how the NHL and pro sports in general seem to be run without really caring what the average joe fan thinks. This from forcing fans to dole out hundreds in tickets to watch an often inferior product (example: my Oilers) to being frustrated by officiating that is so friggin inconsistent neither the players nor the fans no what is a penalty.
I am curious as to what others think. Are fans in general being treated to what they should expect? Should the league be consulting more with the fan base on how the game should be played? Would I be in the minority on this?
There is so much wrong with this original post (and most of your subsequent posts) it really does boggle the mind.
1. As many have pointed out already, you are NOT forced to watch the NHL or any specific product (i.e. your Oilers). If you like what the NHL is doing, watch it. If you don't, don't. Is that so hard to understand?
2. Please name another major industry which is "run" by it's consumers/customers. Does Porsche allow customers to design and build their cars? Did Apple have consumers design the iPhone and iPad? Of course not, b/c that is not how business works and I have absolutely no idea why you think the NHL should be the first exception ever. (PS> Please don't come back with some example of market research being used to inform these or other companies. It's not the same thing.)
3. What on earth makes you think having several thousand fans, each with their own personal POV on what the NHL should be, do, or look like are somehow going to make the league BETTER and not WORSE? Not only is the idea logistically almost impossible to implement, it would probably result in nothing ever getting done b/c you'll never get enough fans to agree on one common cause/aim/change. Don't believe me? Next time you're at a game, find 10 people who aren't related or friends and ask them what they think the NHL should do to improve the game. If you get more than 2 people agreeing, I'll be amazed.
Honestly, this thread is full of horrible, horrible ideas. I don't mean to sound so harsh, but I honestly cannot stress enough just how terrible these ideas are. I know you're frustrated or something, but these are not real solutions to anything.
How would this even work? Would fans be given access to a team's internal scouting reports? Would the fans just vote to veto transactions, or would the GM be forced to make offers based on the fans' advice? How would the draft work? Or contract negotiations? What about call-ups? Would fans of opposing teams try to mess up their rivals' moves?
There is so much wrong with this original post (and most of your subsequent posts) it really does boggle the mind.
1. As many have pointed out already, you are NOT forced to watch the NHL or any specific product (i.e. your Oilers). If you like what the NHL is doing, watch it. If you don't, don't. Is that so hard to understand?
2. Please name another major industry which is "run" by it's consumers/customers. Does Porsche allow customers to design and build their cars? Did Apple have consumers design the iPhone and iPad? Of course not, b/c that is not how business works and I have absolutely no idea why you think the NHL should be the first exception ever. (PS> Please don't come back with some example of market research being used to inform these or other companies. It's not the same thing.)
3. What on earth makes you think having several thousand fans, each with their own personal POV on what the NHL should be, do, or look like are somehow going to make the league BETTER and not WORSE? Not only is the idea logistically almost impossible to implement, it would probably result in nothing ever getting done b/c you'll never get enough fans to agree on one common cause/aim/change. Don't believe me? Next time you're at a game, find 10 people who aren't related or friends and ask them what they think the NHL should do to improve the game. If you get more than 2 people agreeing, I'll be amazed.
Honestly, this thread is full of horrible, horrible ideas. I don't mean to sound so harsh, but I honestly cannot stress enough just how terrible these ideas are. I know you're frustrated or something, but these are not real solutions to anything.
My apologies for posting a thread that apparently went over your head.
