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03-21-2012, 09:21 PM
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Jake also can control the puck and maintain possession like Leino could... he just takes a more direct route to the net with it, while Leino liked to work the corners and along the boards more... but I posted earlier on here (or another thread) the same exact thought.

Problem is that Hartnell would be tough to move from Giroux and Jags at this point... I don't have backup data but I'm under the impression that since Hartnell has been with the Flyers the lines that he has been on have been the ones that have been the hottest -- except for maybe his down year with goals a couple seasons back -- I seem to remember a torrid period early on with Lupul until Loops got hurt... and of course his teaming with Briere/Leino and now with Giroux/Jagr has netted some clutched goals this season. It seems that Harts is the common factor... I'd love to see some figures on this... but that would take much time and work to get.
Maybe a simmonds-briere-voracek line would work. Simmonds plays a similar game as hartnell. But I thought thaey tried that line earlier in the season and it didn't work out too well. And then Schenn, talbot, couturier, Rinaldo, and read can combine for a couple shut down lines.

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03-21-2012, 09:23 PM
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One thing about briere, and richards and carter for that matter, is that they have never really beena afforded the opportunity to play with the same line mates full time. When he does he seems to play his best

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03-21-2012, 09:59 PM
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Has Briere addressed this question to him?

I'm not overly worried.....he'll snap out of it by playoffs. He's going to have to...

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03-21-2012, 10:13 PM
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Worried? No.

Annoyed? Yes.

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03-22-2012, 11:11 AM
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People should take it easy on him, and start to relax, he's just having a rough patch.
had he not gone public regarding the goalie, and kept it inside the locker room, [i'm all for calling out a team mate: but NOT publicly] then he would not be getting this much scrutiny.

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This is the way I see the whole Briere-Bryz thing. Briere was saying that if you are playing like crap and constantly finding excuses for why instead of taking the blame, it makes it hard for your teammates to take you seriously and play well for you.

Its kind of similar to the previous two seasons. With Leighton and Boucher the team would play great in front of them and they would let in soft goals which would deflate the team. It ultimately caught up to them last year in the playoffs. Boucher and Bob would give up such soft goals that the team had to score so many that it deflated the team when they played Boston.

The difference between the two scenarios is that even though they were playing like crap boucher and leighton seemed to be well liked with the team, whereas Bryz seemed like an outsider which made it even harder to play well in front of him.

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03-22-2012, 11:52 AM
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had he not gone public regarding the goalie, and kept it inside the locker room, [i'm all for calling out a team mate: but NOT publicly] then he would not be getting this much scrutiny.
No, I'm pretty sure there's only one person here who's giving him that much scrutiny because of him saying that publicly.

Either way, Briere really needs to step it up.

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had he not gone public regarding the goalie, and kept it inside the locker room, [i'm all for calling out a team mate: but NOT publicly] then he would not be getting this much scrutiny.
I kinda agree with you there, but to be honest I don't think he deserves this much criticism. He was having a decent season before he picked up his injury. And if he seemed like a lazy piece of ****, I will gladly admit that. But he really isn't.

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No, I'm pretty sure there's only one person here who's giving him that much scrutiny because of him saying that publicly.

Either way, Briere really needs to step it up.

Who knows if he brought it up in the locker room. He and others may have. Maybe going outside of the locker room was the only way to get to Bryz. IDK

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03-22-2012, 12:08 PM
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I kinda agree with you there, but to be honest I don't think he deserves this much criticism. He was having a decent season before he picked up his injury. And if he seemed like a lazy piece of ****, I will gladly admit that. But he really isn't.
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had he not gone public regarding the goalie, and kept it inside the locker room, [i'm all for calling out a team mate: but NOT publicly] then he would not be getting this much scrutiny.
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I kinda agree with you there, but to be honest I don't think he deserves this much criticism. He was having a decent season before he picked up his injury. And if he seemed like a lazy piece of ****, I will gladly admit that. But he really isn't.

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No, I'm pretty sure there's only one person here who's giving him that much scrutiny because of him saying that publicly.

Either way, Briere really needs to step it up.
and i'm pretty sure you are wrong, as you can see.

nothing good comes out of him going public. i'm all for calling out a team mate: but NOT publicly.

he's easily the worst player on the team now. i'd rather see him sit & get a younger, hungrier player in for a few games & maybe Danny will come around.

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I don't know that he's the worst player on the team, much less "easily." The entire Schenn line was less effective than Briere last game. Then you have guys like Rinaldo and Shelley who are definitely worse.

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Briere always seems to be playing hard, pucks just don't seem to be going in for him. But it definitely doesn't seem to be a problem with hustle or determination.

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But it definitely doesn't seem to be a problem with hustle or determination.
sure looks that way to me ..... he was brutal on Florida's 1st goal

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sure looks that way to me ..... he was brutal on Florida's 1st goal
Briere has never been good at defense. It's not that he isn't trying, so much as it seems like he has no idea what to do.

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I just came off arguing with those with some people off FB. (To be honest I don't even know why I argue with them over there, most of them seem to me like a bunch of muppets.)

Like, Briere is over paid. Yes I get that, but there are way overpaid players that have it much worse than us. He's an essential part to our team both on and off the ice.

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Briere has never been good at defense. It's not that he isn't trying, so much as it seems like he has no idea what to do.
Brière has been pretty good at not giving a **** defensively throughout his career. Or maybe I think too highly of NHL players, I just can't understand how you can reach that level without understanding the basics about hockey.

When he scores around a ppg in the regular season and then produces like he's done in the playoffs, it's a lot easier to cope with him not bothering too much about what's happening in our half end of the rink. Jagr has been somewhat similar for most of his career as well. Watching him play in the ´98 Olympics was an eye-opener for me. In that tournament he was all over the ice, he really busted that huge ass of his. I had thought he was a terrible player defensively previously, but realized he just didn't care (or if you prefer, preserved his energy for the offensive side of the game) that much about it in the NHL.

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agreed, he should add in "FLYERS" chat bubble

instead of the "FREEDOM" yell, Mel was screaming there..

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agreed, he should add in "FLYERS" chat bubble

instead of the "FREEDOM" yell, Mel was screaming there..

that would make it EPIC
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I don't know that he's the worst player on the team, much less "easily." The entire Schenn line was less effective than Briere last game. Then you have guys like Rinaldo and Shelley who are definitely worse.
He is no where near it based solely on skill level, but when factoring ice time and your role, he is the worst by a large margin imo. I would gladly take 3 mins of Shelley , increased ice time for Wellwood/Couts and Danny in press box for tonight.

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He is no where near it based solely on skill level, but when factoring ice time and your role, he is the worst by a large margin imo. I would gladly take 3 mins of Shelley , increased ice time for Wellwood/Couts and Danny in press box for tonight.
Won't happen though. Bench Briere for rookies and the team will revolt lol

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It's not that he isn't trying, so much as it seems like he has no idea what to do.
then he needs to sit until he figures it out. we can't play 4 on 5 in our own zone.

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He is no where near it based solely on skill level, but when factoring ice time and your role, he is the worst by a large margin imo. I would gladly take 3 mins of Shelley , increased ice time for Wellwood/Couts and Danny in press box for tonight.
exactly. he is supposed to score goals, and despite the free pass he gets from some here by not playing defense, an NHLer is supposed to know / do the basics of covering your man.

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then he needs to sit until he figures it out. we can't play 4 on 5 in our own zone.
Then he would have been sitting since he signed the contract.

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