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03-22-2012, 03:53 PM
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Then he would have been sitting since he signed the contract.


He does seem to be at a lower level defensively latelty though and I wasn't sure that was possible

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03-22-2012, 03:56 PM
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Then he would have been sitting since he signed the contract.
no excuse. sounds like Leadership Group time to me, if he's as bad as you suggest. that's unacceptable in my view. especially since he can't score.

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no excuse. sounds like Leadership Group time to me, if he's as bad as you suggest. that's unacceptable in my view. especially since he can't score.
It's truly remarkable that you didn't level this amount of criticism against Briere until he dared to criticize Bryzgalov, whereas almost everyone else in this thread has been having this discussion for a few months. Briere criticizes Bryz, and suddenly you come in to lead the charge to extreme levels.

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He does seem to be at a lower level defensively latelty though and I wasn't sure that was possible
I think he's been noticeably worse overall in all aspects of the game since his concussion. He seems to just not be able to get things right. At his age, I find that extremely concerning.

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I think he is struggling...but still argue for him. Tuesday night he made the horrible pass at the end of the game, in no man's land. But...he's battling...still setting guys up. If you look at his off-the-puck game it's not as bad as people are killing him for.

For his contract...yes, he's under performing. He's still a good player and I expect him to show up in the playoffs. I think the concussion set him back...and agree with that.

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Hockey gods forcing him to play defense.

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His GAON/60 is 2.29, which is actually an improvement from what it was earlier in the year. That can possibly be chalked up to Bryz getting his act together, that has certainly dropped everyone's numbers a bit.

The other team generally scores more often (even with less average TOI) when guys like Simmonds, Schenn, Jagr, Voracek, and Talbot are on the ice. Also Giroux, but Giroux is out more than Briere is, and we know Giroux isn't a defensive stud either.

Briere is prone to some defensive breakdowns, but as Sarahbell pointed out, he probably isn't nearly as bad as people are saying. The numbers suggest that the opposing team is scoring less when he's on the ice compared to many other players. The only one of our centers who is faring better is Couturier.

Damn though, when Briere messes up, he generally does so in a big way.

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03-22-2012, 04:21 PM
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It's truly remarkable that you didn't level this amount of criticism against Briere until he dared ......
that's what he gets for PUBLICLY criticizing ANY team mate in the press.

what is truly remarkable, is that you don't seem to understand that I don't care WHO he called out PUBLICLY, that stuff needs to stay in the locker room.

never-the-less, DB is brutal right now. and the criticism is well deserved.

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I think people should lighten up on him IMO. 30 pts in 42 games before his injury, that's nae bad considering. He'll get back on his feet soon enough

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if he's hurt, he oughtta sit until he's better. if he's not hurt, there's no reason rookies should be outworking & outperforming him.

this is exactly people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
karma is a you-know-what

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It's becoming pathetic.. He is so useless right now..

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if he's hurt, he oughtta sit until he's better. if he's not hurt, there's no reason rookies should be outworking & outperforming him.

this is exactly people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
karma is a you-know-what
Outperforming, sure. Outworking? You might want to watch him closer. He's working...just isn't finishing. He looked damned good in the OT. I would've preferred him on the ice setting up plays over almost all of our rookies.

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Whenever he has a chance he fluffs it. That spin shot with Holtby down was slower than a week in prison.

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His ability to finish is nowhere to be seen, and if he tries anymore of those dekes in shootout I'll have a stroke.

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His ability to finish is nowhere to be seen, and if he tries anymore of those dekes in shootout I'll have a stroke.
If Laviolette keeps putting him in the shootout, I'll have a stroke.

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Outperforming, sure. Outworking? You might want to watch him closer. He's working...just isn't finishing. He looked damned good in the OT. I would've preferred him on the ice setting up plays over almost all of our rookies.
This. Dunno what Lavi should do with Briere right now. Keep playing him? Bench him? He's not scoring but he's been doing good moving the puck around and getting into places. But then he's finishing is just godawful.

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Maybe once we get JVR back he will play with Giroux? They played well almost a year ago in playoffs?

I know it is crazy to break up Hartnell and Giroux but what can you do? Got to give Briere linemates. He looked better in OT with Hartnell tonight.

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This. Dunno what Lavi should do with Briere right now. Keep playing him? Bench him? He's not scoring but he's been doing good moving the puck around and getting into places. But then he's finishing is just godawful.
Give couturier more time.

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Read actually had a pretty solid game. Kinda invisible in the first, but playing on the 4th line can do that. Had a solid rest of the game (not just hits) and is really coming through on shootouts.

I'd try him with Couturier and Talbot, throw Voracek with Briere and Simmonds, and get Schenn on the 4th line.

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Maybe once we get JVR back he will play with Giroux? They played well almost a year ago in playoffs?

I know it is crazy to break up Hartnell and Giroux but what can you do? Got to give Briere linemates. He looked better in OT with Hartnell tonight.
This. Briere needs a physical winger to take some of the bigger defenders away from him. Plus they have shown chemistry with each other since he has been in Philly. Some of our best lines were composed of hartnell and briere with some other winger. Giroux and jagr would likely continue playing well with someone else. Even if they were a little less productive offensively, it would be extremely helpful to have and offensively productive Briere. Especially with all of the rookies playing in their first playoffs this season

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Outworking?
yes, too much gliding around out there. they younger players are clearly hungrier.

and they don't play 4 on 4 in the playoffs. everybody looks better w/ more ice room.

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I think Briere is suffering a bit from the increased leniency from the refs regarding holdings etc.

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yes, too much gliding around out there. they younger players are clearly hungrier.

and they don't play 4 on 4 in the playoffs. everybody looks better w/ more ice room.
Gliding? Sure, if gliding is plugging away along the boards, taking a beating from larger players without giving up.

Also, I find it fascinating that you only judge Bryz by on-ice play, yet a big part of your criticism of Briere is based on something which occurred off the ice. That's a neat double standard you've got going there.

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Gliding? Sure, if gliding is plugging away along the boards, taking a beating from larger players without giving up.

Also, I find it fascinating that you only judge Bryz by on-ice play, yet a big part of your criticism of Briere is based on something which occurred off the ice. That's a neat double standard you've got going there.

he sure was gliding aimlessly vs Florida, and every other Flyer is plugging away along the boards, taking a beating from players without giving up, so Danny gets no extra credit for that.
i find it funny that you are trying to deflect attention from Danny's horrible play by talking about the goalie.

by the way, i'm judging Danny's on ice 'non play' based on what I see on the ice = very little. Rinaldo had a better attempt on net tonite.

my criticism of his on ice effort is based on his on ice 'effort' or lack thereof.

the fact that he drew this extra scrutiny upon himself by shooting his mouth off publicly is HIS fault, not mine.

karma is just paying him back

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