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03-16-2012, 12:11 AM
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Changing goalie in the SO

There are lots of talks right now in the PGT regarding if Sacco should have pulled Giggy in the SO in favor of Varly. Considering the risk of injuries, still 9 games to go, and Giggy having a shutout, I agree with Sacco's decision of leaving Giggy in for this SO.

However let's assume it is the last game of the season and you need that extra point to earn the 8th spot and knowing how bad Giggy has done so far in the SO and how well Varly has done, would you:

1. if you are Sacco change goalie and put Varly in and deal with the injury if need be?

2. if you are Giggy, knowing how bad you have done so far in the season, take one for the team and be the bigger man and step aside telling the coach he should put in Varly due to his current SO record?

I would answer yes to both.

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03-16-2012, 12:16 AM
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Said the same thing, but then my dad brought up the point that he had a shutout going & played an awesome game, and if I were coach I better not turn my back because a stick may be headed in the direction of my ass..

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03-16-2012, 12:18 AM
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Said the same thing, but then my dad brought up the point that he had a shutout going & played an awesome game, and if I were coach I better not turn my back because a stick may be headed in the direction of my ass..
He already had the shutout. SO doesn't change that.

If it was life or death, I would put Varlamov in. In fact, they should look at, if Giguere plays again this year, and it's tight in the third period, have Varlamov warm up in the hallway or dressing room just in case.

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He already had the shutout. SO doesn't change that.

If it was life or death, I would put Varlamov in. In fact, they should look at, if Giguere plays again this year, and it's tight in the third period, have Varlamov warm up in the hallway or dressing room just in case.
Yeah, but thats ****ed up is the point.

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Yeah, but thats ****ed up is the point.
/Shrug.

I'm sure Giguere is a big enough man to realize that winning is more important than whatever nonsense justification there is to automatically losing because he played well the rest of the game.

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03-16-2012, 12:29 AM
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You can't really do it, with Varlamovs history of groin problems. I'm not sure Varlamov would be that good in a shootout coming in cold either. It's one of those situations where you at first wish you could do it because Varlamov has been so good for us in that situation, but when you think about it it's not a good idea.

Basically if we are using Giguere, the shooters have to score.

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No. Don't change goalies.

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Hindsight is 20/20. The right decision was made. If we miss the playoffs by 1 point, it won't be because Sacco left Giguere in net on the second night of a back to back where Giggy stopped all 34 shots he faced.

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Hindsight is 20/20. The right decision was made. If we miss the playoffs by 1 point, it won't be because Sacco left Giguere in net on the second night of a back to back where Giggy stopped all 34 shots he faced.
Agree with tonight but that's not what I was asking. Please re-read the OP.

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Toronto put Cujo in during a game he didn't start and the result was a loss.

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Agree with tonight but that's not what I was asking. Please re-read the OP.
My answer is still no.

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My answer is still no.
Thank you.

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I already answered #1, so I'll answer #2.

2. No. What kind of guy would Jiggy be if he waved the white flag when it came to the shootout? I remember when Peter Budaj was positively horrifying in the shootout. The team kept faith in him, and hey, he eventually got better at it.

Frankly if we get to the point where we have shootout specialist goaltenders then the league better damn well scuttle the whole thing.

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If it's a chance to get into the playoffs then I go with Sergei but if it's just a game against an Eastern Conference team like today where the goalie had a shutout and carried us there than no I don't put in Sergei and I stick with Giggy.

Also it's so ****ing funny watching Giguere on shootout attempts he's so slow and he can't read the shooter so he ends up going the wrong way. How can a guy be so bad at shootouts?

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I already answered #1, so I'll answer #2.

2. No. What kind of guy would Jiggy be if he waved the white flag when it came to the shootout? I remember when Peter Budaj was positively horrifying in the shootout. The team kept faith in him, and hey, he eventually got better at it.

Frankly if we get to the point where we have shootout specialist goaltenders then the league better damn well scuttle the whole thing.
I don't think it would be waving a white flag. It all depends on how much he want s to make the PO. Players would still have faith in him in the PO as there are no SO and he is very good during regulation and OT.

Your comments regarding Budaj and SO specialist are irrelevant here as we are talking about one decisive game to make it into the PO. Of course I agree with you during the course of the season I would never change the goalie.

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If it's a chance to get into the playoffs then I go with Sergei but if it's just a game against an Eastern Conference team like today where the goalie had a shutout and carried us there than no I don't put in Sergei and I stick with Giggy.

Also it's so ****ing funny watching Giguere on shootout attempts he's so slow and he can't read the shooter so he ends up going the wrong way. How can a guy be so bad at shootouts?
Because Giguere is not a read and react goalie for the most part. He's more of a cut the angle and get in the way goalie. Doesn't work one on one, at all. He'd likely be better off charging the guy and falling down.

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If it came down to the last game needing 2 pts instead of 1 then yeah I pull giggy. He's been great in regulation all year long, but has stunk in the SO all year long too.

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Because Giguere is not a read and react goalie for the most part. He's more of a cut the angle and get in the way goalie. Doesn't work one on one, at all. He'd likely be better off charging the guy and falling down.
I laughed out loud at this. Pretty funny. TS.

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If it came down to the last game needing 2 pts instead of 1 then yeah I pull giggy. He's been great in regulation all year long, but has stunk in the SO all year long too.
If it comes down to one game needing 2 points than Varly is starting the game anyway. So, this point because moot. I personally believe you go with the horse that got you there. JS didn't give up a single goal in 65 minutes and you want to put in a cold guy with a history of groin problems? You're asking for trouble.

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I laughed out loud at this. Pretty funny. TS.



If it comes down to one game needing 2 points than Varly is starting the game anyway. So, this point because moot. I personally believe you go with the horse that got you there. JS didn't give up a single goal in 65 minutes and you want to put in a cold guy with a history of groin problems? You're asking for trouble.
That wasn't the OPs question.

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shoulda traded for theodore

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I wouldn't want the first shots that a goalie faces in a game to be a bunch of breakaways. I think you still have to go with the goalie who is already warmed up and has faced those shooters for the past 65 minutes... especially when that goalie played as well as Giguere did tonight.

That said, I still knew we would lose that 2nd point the moment overtime ended.

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No. Silly and stupid idea. And for as rare as such a switch has been (for good reason), I am not sure that I have ever seen it work. Also, having this conversation now is mind-boggling. You would rather have a cold goalie in net than the guy who hasn't allowed a goal in 65 minutes of play? I don't care how good Varlamov is in the shoot-out, that is pants-on-head retarded.

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No. Silly and stupid idea. And for as rare as such a switch has been (for good reason), I am not sure that I have ever seen it work. Also, having this conversation now is mind-boggling. You would rather have a cold goalie in net than the guy who hasn't allowed a goal in 65 minutes of play? I don't care how good Varlamov is in the shoot-out, that is pants-on-head retarded.
Agreed, changing goalies before SO is plain dumb.

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Also it's so ****ing funny watching Giguere on shootout attempts he's so slow and he can't read the shooter so he ends up going the wrong way. How can a guy be so bad at shootouts?
I was watching hoping they'd miss the net. You go around him and he's beat. He played a good game other than the shootout. Col shoulda known and went all in in OT. Maybe something like 3 forwards, double shifted or something. Ah well, a point's a point!

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