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03-16-2012, 09:28 PM
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10 previous years not with the Sens?

Cheechoo would salute you.
Kuba has literally had one bad season in his career. That's it. He's been in the league for what? 12, 13 seasons. Bringing up a Cheechoo reference just shows people have absolutely no leg to stand on when talking about the guy. People still wish he was their whipping boy but fact of the matter is the guy is making a lot of you eat their words and look like complete morons.

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03-16-2012, 09:29 PM
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Kuba has literally had one bad season in his career. That's it. He's been in the league for what? 12, 13 seasons. Bringing up a Cheechoo reference just shows people have absolutely no leg to stand on when talking about the guy. People still wish he was their whipping boy but fact of the matter is the guy is making a lot of you eat their words and look like complete morons.
Fact of the matter is the guy has only played good for the Sens in contract years.

I won't resort to name calling to make me feel better about my opinion.

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03-16-2012, 09:31 PM
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bro, he was terribad 2 of the 4 years he's been here. the two years he's been good have been contract years. coincidence?
Haha, oh yah? He was bad what year besides last? The 1st year of his contract he was fine, team was awful but there was nothing wrong with Kuba's game. Had 28 points in 50 some odd games, pretty good season. Didn't get into the playoffs because of his back but saying he didn't have a good year is just wrong. He was fine that year, he did his job.

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03-16-2012, 09:34 PM
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Kuba playing bad i think had more to do with coaching and injuries

just look how ****** gonchar and phillips looked last year.... hell even karlsson

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03-16-2012, 09:35 PM
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Fact of the matter is the guy has only played good for the Sens in contract years.

I won't resort to name calling to make me feel better about my opinion.
The way people talk about a player on a bad team for the most part, not just Sens fans but all fans is moronic. It's knee jerk reaction all the time and Kuba is a prime example of the guy people just ripped because he was having a very bad and very unlucky year last year, simple as that.

No one talks about a decade of very solid hockey. No one talks about how he was our best D man 2 of his first 3 years in Ottawa. It's too bad too because hockey and sports in general isn't something that people can judge based on one game or one year. The only time I hear people talking long term is when the "rebuild" theory comes up around here and it sounds just as stupid as judging a guy like Kuba based on ONE bad season.

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03-16-2012, 10:06 PM
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I would rather have the Sens sign him for a 2 years 8.5M contract but I am confuse as of why Murray hasn't re-signed him already... Certainly Kuba has increased his value playing with EK and he seems to be the best partner for EK so far...

Would anyone else accept to play in EK's shadow?

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03-16-2012, 10:09 PM
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He's not going to take 1 year unless you make it well worth it.

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03-16-2012, 10:10 PM
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i'm still against it, and vehemently against anything longer than 1 year.
Have to agree. I'm not sure why everyone's so in love with Kuba. Thankfully he's finally healthy which means he's better than last year, but overall I don't see anything special. He doesn't really out-muscle guys and generally relies on stick checks, which are hit or miss.

One year sounds about right but I doubt Kuba goes for that, so it it'll likely be 2+ years or he'll walk.

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03-16-2012, 10:11 PM
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Have to agree. I'm not sure why everyone's so in love with Kuba. Thankfully he's finally healthy which means he's better than last year, but overall I don't see anything special. He doesn't really out-muscle guys and generally relies on stick checks, which are hit or miss.

One year sounds about right but I doubt Kuba goes for that, so it it'll likely be 2+ years or he'll walk.
Who are you bringing to replace him next year?

How many 35 years old + are signing for 1 year contract by the way?

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03-16-2012, 10:15 PM
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He has been incredibly steady this year. Playing top minutes as well. Hope he is back. 1-2 year term ideally. 3-4 million per.

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03-16-2012, 10:17 PM
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5th in the NHL in +/- with +24.

Who'd have seen that one coming (understanding the uselessness of the stat)?

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03-16-2012, 10:18 PM
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Have to agree. I'm not sure why everyone's so in love with Kuba. Thankfully he's finally healthy which means he's better than last year, but overall I don't see anything special. He doesn't really out-muscle guys and generally relies on stick checks, which are hit or miss.

One year sounds about right but I doubt Kuba goes for that, so it it'll likely be 2+ years or he'll walk.
So? Why does he have to do anything special. He brings stability to the top pairing. He is the defensive partner of the Norris front runner. Pretty good year and a pretty good played because no one player does it alone.

You don't need or want anything special from him so what you said is totally accurate even if it wasn't meant to be a compliment.

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03-16-2012, 10:23 PM
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What I find really hilarious is that Kuba has almost the exact same stats at Lidstrom this season.

Lidstrom

62GP 10G 21A 31PTS +25 4PPG 24PIM 23:56ATOI

Kuba

63GP 6G 22A 28PTS +24 3PPG 20PIM 23:47ATOI

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03-16-2012, 10:26 PM
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We have to let him go. He's piggy-backing off Karlsson's success.

Sign any LD and he's gonna look amazing next to Karlsson.

If we sign him we have to offer him something low like 3 million for 1 year. more than 4 million over 2 years would be a mistake.

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03-16-2012, 10:36 PM
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1 year is ideal but realistically he won't take anything less than 2. 2 years 4M per. He's not a player we can afford to lose if we want to team to continue to make the playoffs.

After Michalek, Karlsson, Spezza, Alfie and Anderson he's our most important player.

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03-16-2012, 10:39 PM
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We have to let him go. He's piggy-backing off Karlsson's success.

Sign any LD and he's gonna look amazing next to Karlsson.

If we sign him we have to offer him something low like 3 million for 1 year. more than 4 million over 2 years would be a mistake.
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We have to let him go. He's piggy-backing off Karlsson's success.

Sign any LD and he's gonna look amazing next to Karlsson.


If we sign him we have to offer him something low like 3 million for 1 year. more than 4 million over 2 years would be a mistake.
No. I strongly disagree with what you're saying here. As good as Karlsson is, he's not an easy player to play with and its important for young D to have a stable partner. Phaneuf took a big step back when Calgary let Hamrlik go, Komisarek just flat out sucked when he ditched Markov and the Habs.

We have something that works extremely well right now, there's no reason to split it up over a minimal amount of money (relative to the NHL).

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03-16-2012, 10:41 PM
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Who are you bringing to replace him next year?

How many 35 years old + are signing for 1 year contract by the way?
I know he won't sign for 1 year which is why I said he'll walk unless he gets 2+ years.

As for who's out there, I don't know a lot about who's available much less how well they're playing. What about Willie Mitchell, Johnny Boychuck, Scott Hannan, Kurtis Foster?


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03-16-2012, 10:44 PM
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Regardless that Kuba is having a decent yr we are still in rebuild mode & should move on from Kuba. Karlsson is having a great yr regardless of who plays with him. Next yr Cowen can play with Karlsson & we will have a better tandem that will be together for yrs to come. IMO Murray will rebuild the defence next through free agency & trades.

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03-16-2012, 10:45 PM
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DO NOT RESIGN unless he comes super cheap (as in pay cut) and on short term. Dude is playing for a contract. It is time to move on, thank him for the great year of service and not so much for the 2 crappy ones before this one.

Cowen should be ready for big-time duty next year, bring in Borocop and let Gonch earn some of that money in the last year of his deal with more duty.

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03-16-2012, 10:49 PM
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I know he won't sign for 1 year which is why I said he'll walk unless he gets 2+ years.

As for who's out there, I know a lot about who's available much less how well they're playing. What about Willie Mitchell, Johnny Boychuck, Scott Hannan, Kurtis Foster?
You want to replace our #2 D with Kurtis Foster.......... yay Mackinnon.

p.s. Boychuk signed a 3 year extension in Boston.

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Regardless that Kuba is having a decent yr we are still in rebuild mode & should move on from Kuba. Karlsson is having a great yr regardless of who plays with him. Next yr Cowen can play with Karlsson & we will have a better tandem that will be together for yrs to come. IMO Murray will rebuild the defence next through free agency & trades.
Why can't Kuba be a part of the rebuild? I'm not saying that he will be vital part for when the sens have a consistent conference challenging team a couple of years from now but I think a lot of you guys are underestimating the role of veterans for bringing up young players.

It takes so much more than what we see on the ice to be a consistent NHLer for your entire adulthood. Guys like alfie, phillips, kuba and as much as I hate to say it Gonchar, play a huge role in developing the younger talent. You only need to look 4 hours west to see what happens when you have no veterans to help...

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03-16-2012, 10:51 PM
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The absolute ignorance and utter stupidity in this thread is embarassing.

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03-16-2012, 10:54 PM
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Regardless that Kuba is having a decent yr we are still in rebuild mode & should move on from Kuba. Karlsson is having a great yr regardless of who plays with him. Next yr Cowen can play with Karlsson & we will have a better tandem that will be together for yrs to come. IMO Murray will rebuild the defence next through free agency & trades.
Oh yah? Which rebuild modeal are you refering to? Toronto's? NYI's? Edmonton's? CBJ? What do all those teams have in common? Awful defense with younger players who can't do the job.

Rebuild doesn't mean anything other than making a commitment to youth and building a better foundation. Has nothing to do with getting rid of capable players because they won't be in the league for 10 more years, that's called stupid.

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So? Why does he have to do anything special. He brings stability to the top pairing. He is the defensive partner of the Norris front runner. Pretty good year and a pretty good played because no one player does it alone.

You don't need or want anything special from him so what you said is totally accurate even if it wasn't meant to be a compliment.
He doesn't need to be special, but he does need to be solid.

He contributes little to the offense and his defense consists of little more than chasing guys along the boards and trying to poke the puck away from them.

I'm not saying he's bad but I'd like a little more from our top pairing guy.

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