If RNH and Landeskog end the season based on their points per game, RNH finishes with around 53.5 Points, Landeskog 52.
Other than points per game (RNH Leads by a large margin) and assists what does Hopkins lead?
Goals? Landeskog
Game Winning Goals? Landeskog
+/-? Landeskog iS +26 OVER RNH FACTORING IN TEAMS
(RNH is 7 below the nearest forward, Landeskog is 11 ahead of Downie who was recently aquired...call it 18 ahead of RNH if you are trying to bolster RNH stats...nearest forward on Avs all season is +1...19 below Landeskog, that player is Ryan O'Reilly who has centered his line all season)
Shots? Landeskog Large Margin
Hits? Landeskog Large Margin
TOI/Game? Landeskog 1 Minute (all PK Time)
PK time/Game Landeskog 1:02 Per Game
PIM Landeskog Large Margin (lots of them are 2 minutes if you want to call it a negative... if you watch him play you won't)
The Calder trophy does not go to who scored the most points, it does not go to who would have scored the most points, it does not go to who has the most promise, it goes "to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the National Hockey League."
If you could have one player for one season would you rather have 1.5 more points (assuming current scoring rates) and more
Assists/Secondary Assists or Goals, GWG, +/-, Shots, Hits, TOI/Game, Penalty Killing, and Leadership?
Who will rack up more points in the long run? I hope it is RNH or the Oilers are in serious trouble. Who has been more proficient in their rookie season? Landeskog.
p.s. I hope RNH wins, I have the feeling it would ensure Landeskog puts that much more into every hit when the Avs play Edmonton.
Last edited by Relaxedriley: 03-19-2012 at 02:29 AM.
Reason: changed (leads RNH by a large margin) to (RNH leads by a large margin) referring to points per game
If RNH and Landeskog end the season based on their points per game, RNH finishes with around 53.5 Points, Landeskog 52.
Other than points per game (RNH Leads by a large margin) and assists what does Hopkins lead?
Goals? Landeskog
Game Winning Goals? Landeskog
+/-? Landeskog iS +26 OVER RNH FACTORING IN TEAMS
(RNH is 7 below the nearest forward, Landeskog is 11 ahead of Downie who was recently aquired...call it 18 ahead of RNH if you are trying to bolster RNH stats...nearest forward on Avs all season is +1...19 below Landeskog, that player is Ryan O'Reilly who has centered his line all season)
Shots? Landeskog Large Margin
Hits? Landeskog Large Margin
TOI/Game? Landeskog 1 Minute (all PK Time)
PK time/Game Landeskog 1:02 Per Game
PIM Landeskog Large Margin (lots of them are 2 minutes if you want to call it a negative... if you watch him play you won't)
The Calder trophy does not go to who scored the most points, it does not go to who would have scored the most points, it does not go to who has the most promise, it goes "to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the National Hockey League."
If you could have one player for one season would you rather have 1.5 more points (assuming current scoring rates) and more
Assists/Secondary Assists or Goals, GWG, +/-, Shots, Hits, TOI/Game, Penalty Killing, and Leadership?
Who will rack up more points in the long run? I hope it is RNH or the Oilers are in serious trouble. Who has been more proficient in their rookie season? Landeskog.
p.s. I hope RNH wins, I have the feeling it would ensure Landeskog puts that much more into every hit when the Avs play Edmonton.
Maybe you should memo the Nhl cause since 2000 all the forwards that won it simply were the scoring leader in the rookie race.
I'm just saying that I found it confounding that people don't find it impressive that a player who misses 22 games is still in a scoring race with fellow players. I don't think it's a hard concept to grasp, yet an outstanding amount of people can't see it in this thread.
HF logic at it's finest. Shots, hits > scoring production.
Landeskog has 12 more EV points than RNH. I haven't really checked everything but it seems RNH is getting a lot of protected minutes, while Landeskog is playing some pretty hard ones against stronger competition.
This is coming from one of the biggest Lando fans out there. RNH has played 22 games less and is only 2 points back. Best all round rookie is definitely landy. The guy has been a total beast and has been the avs best player on the ice at least half the games this year. With this said I have to admit that if the voters choose RNH i wont be surprised or mad at all. The kids numbers are actually crazy. There is no way you can knock him because he was hurt. If he got hurt and fell completely out of the points race i would understand. But as long as he stays within 5 points of gabe, i think RNH takes home the calder deservingly.
HF logic at it's finest. Shots, hits > scoring production.
I'm not sure how much any of that really means. Kovy put up big scoring numbers in Atlanta, yet he was a black hole in possession, so he wasn't helping his team as much as the stats suggested.
Getting back to my real point about Hopkins' stats... Henrique and Landeskog start more of their shifts in the defensive zone. RNH has one of the highest o-zone start percentages in the league. One reason for that is he's a dangerous offensive player. The other reason is his coach doesn't want a guy winning 37% of his faceoffs taking them in the d-zone. Either way, a player put in Hopkins' position is going to score more points because his coach is putting him in positions advantageous to scoring points (This also applies to PPTOI/G, where RNH leads all rookies). If RNH was starting in his own zone as often as Henrique, not only would his superficial point totals decrease, but his possession numbers would look even worse than they already do. The fact that Henrique and Landeskog are often on the ice against the opponents' best players in the d-zone means their Corsi numbers, as well as their "scoring numbers", are hard earned.
Hopkins' possession stats are so underwhelming in spite of the fact that he gets favorable zone starts and that is one of the many reasons why I would put him behind Landeskog, Hagelin and Henrique (in no particular order). When Hopkins gets his man strength in a few years, he'll probably be dominating in possession, but he isn't that guy right now. The problem is the Calder is about right now.
I tried to be as objective as possible. I don't expect many will agree with me.
Last edited by MottautoMatteau: 03-19-2012 at 07:27 AM.
Lol I'm fine with people choosing landeskog for the Calder, but can you guys maybe not try and trash RNH in the process? He's obviously going to be a superstar in the NHL, it's pretty sad to see some people go to great lengths to prove that he's soft and plays simple minutes... He's on the first line on our team, which means he gets top pairing defense.
And he's way better than landeskog offensively. And he's not a defense slouch either.
Gee it's like u make us feel like we picked the wrong player in the draft. The kid is near ppg, give it a rest
Lol I'm fine with people choosing landeskog for the Calder, but can you guys maybe not try and trash RNH in the process? He's obviously going to be a superstar in the NHL, it's pretty sad to see some people go to great lengths to prove that he's soft and plays simple minutes... He's on the first line on our team, which means he gets top pairing defense.
And he's way better than landeskog offensively. And he's not a defense slouch either.
Gee it's like u make us feel like we picked the wrong player in the draft. The kid is near ppg, give it a rest
I wouldn't say he's way better.
As noted above, Landeskog leads RNH in even strength points by a fair margin.
This coming from one of the biggest RNH fans around.
Like I think the world of landeskog, he's exactly what the oilers need, but the oilers also need a number 1 center and that's exactly what rnh is.
There's no reason u can't love both players.
Both are already great player's and will only become better. Without making any sort of judgement against or for any of the two in this race I can honestly say that I'll be really happy for whoever wins it.
(although one of them plays on my team so I do have some hopes but that's wasn't the point here)
Take the Calder, lets see how much easier that makes it to sign your players. Henrique having a terrible second half will save us a few million at the negotiation table.
Take the Calder, lets see how much easier that makes it to sign your players. Henrique having a terrible second half will save us a few million at the negotiation table.
Good thing we won't have to worry about that for another 2 seasons. Not to mention Henrique will reach UFA earlier because he's older.
Good thing we won't have to worry about that for another 2 seasons. Not to mention Henrique will reach UFA earlier because he's older.
What does being UFA have to do with anything? It has nothing to do with it, because by a time a player is UFA he is well established, or should be at least. It doesn't matter how long you wait, when its time for a new deal, and if he's won it, he'll use it to his advantage just like every other player would.
What does being UFA have to do with anything? It has nothing to do with it, because by a time a player is UFA he is well established, or should be at least. It doesn't matter how long you wait, when its time for a new deal, and if he's won it, he'll use it to his advantage just like every other player would.
What does being UFA have to do with anything? It has nothing to do with it, because by a time a player is UFA he is well established, or should be at least. It doesn't matter how long you wait, when its time for a new deal, and if he's won it, he'll use it to his advantage just like every other player would.
What happened to Hodgson in Buf?
Because UFA will get more money than a RFA? Since Landeskog will be a RFA longer he'll have a cheaper contract for longer? Isn't it obvious?
I swear, going off Landeskog backers in this thread, I would guess that he's the second coming. Over and over again, Avs fans make it sound like Landeskog is the reason they went from 2nd last in the league to a playoff spot.
I don't even think about the what if's. I'm just saying that I found it confounding that people don't find it impressive that a player who misses 22 games is still in a scoring race with fellow players. I don't think it's a hard concept to grasp, yet an outstanding amount of people can't see it in this thread.
He might not be the second coming, but he is a big reason for this season's turnaround. Of course you find it confounding why don't we all talk about Gagner's 8 points again too since points per game matter above all else things such as: staying healthy and helping your team drive to the playoffs.
Of course missing that much time and still being a near the top in scoring is impressive, but at the end of the day (missed games or not) if Lando keeps pace with RNH in points, a deciding factor may be that one led his team to the playoffs and the other didn't. That is of course, not considering any of the other intangibles.
Take the Calder, lets see how much easier that makes it to sign your players. Henrique having a terrible second half will save us a few million at the negotiation table.
You lost me. Our players? Are you suggesting that Landeskog winning the Calder will make many of our players demand more money? Or are you suggesting that winning a Calder trophy will cause Landeskog's raise in 2014-15 to be so much greater than ~3.7 million that we struggle to keep our young talent?
Good thing we won't have to worry about that for another 2 seasons. Not to mention Henrique will reach UFA earlier because he's older.
There is also a good chance he dies before Landeskog but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you aren't looking two years away as a GM then you're probably Greg Sherman.
