He as consistently "nasty" as he is a scorer I guess.
Three examples, yes. Another example are the Stats that you ignore. Compare his PIMs and Hits from both years.
If you took just the Hits and PIMs stats from this and any other year of his career, and left it with no name or year, and asked people who they thought was the more physical, nastier player, who do you think they would choose?
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2nd in the league for Goaltender Interference calls.
1st in the league for Holding the Stick calls.
Those PIMs = nasty? Or stupid?
Goaltender Interference calls are not the same as holding the stick calls, which he has three of to put things in perspective. You have to be driving or in front of the net to get goaltender interference penalties.
Clearly you have a confirmation bias so this is where I bid you adieu.
Goaltender Interference calls are not the same as holding the stick calls, which he has three of to put things in perspective. You have to be driving or in front of the net to get goaltender interference penalties.
Clearly you have a confirmation bias so this is where I bid you adieu.
Every single stat shows Foligno is one of our top players in a variety of areas, (pts, hits, assists, fights etc) then consider that he does all of this in far less icetime, with lesser linemates, and NO PP time.
Then there are his intangibles which other than his bad penalties habit have got to be unquestioned.
He cares, he works, he agitates.
i really, really, really dont understand how anyone can have any problem with Nick Foligno - all evidence shows he should be given a greater roll....if they want to keep him in the bottom 6 for strategic reasons fine but there is ZERO argument to be made other than an "i kind of feel...." argument the funny thing is the other side of the debate actually has evidence, stats etc to go along with the "i kind of feel argument"
Why is that he's not getting that bigger role? Conspiracy?
yes, that's right Franco its a conspiracy. you nailed it.
or ....wait....maybe just maybe it has to do with the mix throughout the lineup!
no... that's not a smarmy answer so that cant be it.....
Greeening Spezza Michalek
Klink Turris Alfie
Foligno Smith Condra
Daug Obrien Neil
Butler
So given that none of Spezza, Alfie, Turris, or Michalek are going to spend 2 seconds on the 3rd or 4th line and that Butler is useless on the 3rd or 4th lines since his skills are exclusively (assuming they still exist) offensive.
and given that our offence is top 5 in the NHL as presently configured why would we move our best offensive creator (and 2nd best on the team ES) out of the bottom 6 when clearly HE is a large part of the reason our 3rd line is effective.
If you move him up when Greening comes down you may an incremental increase in pts for Foligno but you will get far less out of Greening who isnt an offensive creator but who's skillset is useful on a line with Spezza and MM.
its about creating balance and his skills can translate anywhere in the lineup and to maximize the overall effectiveness of the team the play him where they play him.
any other "feelings" you have on this? its not terribly complicated even though you want to make it that way.
Im not the one clamoring for him to get Top 6 mins and line mates. Im fine with him playing Bottom 6 and keeping it simple.
No - you dont think he's capable, good enough, consistent enough etcetc. to be in the top 6 - there is a big difference in those arguments.
im also fine with him in the bottom 6 because i see the value he brings to the overall team by playing there, you think he belongs there because he's not good enough to be in the top 6 and are implying that clearly the Sens staff agrees with you (hence the very funny conspiracy joke you told)
There is not a single thing you can actually point to and back it up that would demonstrate that Foligno could not hold his own against the majority of 2nd liners in the NHL since he's doing it now and he does it all with far less PP time and overall TOI than the majority of those players as well.
Foligno would fit just fine on the second line, in my opinion, but there's no need to hit the panic button just yet.
Turris, Alfie, and Klink all need to start producing. They've had some good shifts recently but need to start firing pucks at the net and stop trying to make the pretty play. Alfie seems to be extremely fatigued--he has nowhere near the jump he began the season with and has been making extremely poor decisions lately. Hopefully he spent the past two days resting, because he needs it.
Turris, plain and simple, needs to go hard to the net and take shots (something Foligno actually does well, althoug his shot is nowhere near as good at Turris'). Klink also needs to start firing at the net from good angles. The whole line has been shooting from corners, the boards, and just bizarre positions.
If the second line continues to struggle, though, I might be tempted to throw Foligno in the 2C role and rearrange the lines:
Greening-Spezza-Michalek
Turris-Foligno-Alfie
Klinkhammer can assume Foligno's position as 3/4 line LW.
no - you dont think he's capable, good enough, consistent enough etcetc. To be in the top 6 - there is a big difference in those arguments.
Im also fine with him in the bottom 6 because i see the value he brings to the overall team by playing there, you think he belongs there because he's not good enough to be in the top 6 and are implying that clearly the sens staff agrees with you (hence the very funny conspiracy joke you told)
there is not a single thing you can actually point to and back it up that would demonstrate that foligno could not hold his own against the majority of 2nd liners in the nhl since he's doing it now and he does it all with far less pp time and overall toi than the majority of those players as well.
why isnt he playing a bigger role than?? Why doesnt this coaching staff and management team have him up there?? Why isnt he getting more pp time and more overall toi?? Because the coaching staff and management know more than hf?? Maybe!?!?!
why isnt he playing a bigger role than?? Why doesnt this coaching staff and management team have him up there?? Why isnt he getting more pp time and more overall toi?? Because the coaching staff and management know more than hf?? Maybe!?!?!
You've literally asked this 3 or 4 times and each time you get an answer. You are just being difficult and dense.
If Foligno is on the second line, our third and fourth literally have no one that can create offence
why isnt he playing a bigger role than?? Why doesnt this coaching staff and management team have him up there?? Why isnt he getting more pp time and more overall toi?? Because the coaching staff and management know more than hf?? Maybe!?!?!
look at this point its a reading comprehension problem on your part, its been explained to you any number of different ways, im done explaining it to you.
You are either purposely misunderstanding or you dimply dont understand - either way its not my problem.
look at this point its a reading comprehension problem on your part, its been explained to you any number of different ways, im done explaining it to you.
You are either purposely misunderstanding or you dimply dont understand - either way its not my problem.
If he was such a monster creator of offense, he'd be playing with better players...especially when other more skilled players are struggling - Turris and Alfredsson right now for example. Why havent they put him up there to get them going?
Too bad he couldnt bring emotion consistently...then he'd earn the Nasty Nick monicker!
The moniker that you created??
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Originally Posted by Ohhh Franco
If he was such a monster creator of offense, he'd be playing with better players...especially when other more skilled players are struggling - Turris and Alfredsson right now for example. Why havent they put him up there to get them going?
Who said Monster creator?? Nobody but you...
Klink/Turris/Alfie arent creating offense... thats no secret..
These are the same coaches also think Bobby Butler is a solution to goal scoring woes so take that for what its worth...
If he was such a monster creator of offense, he'd be playing with better players...especially when other more skilled players are struggling - Turris and Alfredsson right now for example. Why havent they put him up there to get them going?
Let's be honest for a second.
Who in the bottom 6 can actually handle the puck besides Foligno?
Foligno certainly is a better puck handler and distributor than Greening and Klinkhammer.
If you disagree, I would question whether you actually watch any of the games.
Whether or not you overload your top 6 with all puck possession guys is a coaching decision.
Up until now, I've generally agreed that Foligno in the bottom 6 gives them an added dimension in terms of increasing offensive chances among them. You can't put Turris, Alfie, Spezza or Michalek down there, which leaves Foligno.
