The whole thing was just strange to me. I don't even think the Leafs had a shot on goal at that point, the game was very lopsided, there was not a ton of physical play in terms of people flying around, and the particular play was not some hotly contested deal.
Lucic was coming down the boards like he does all the time, and the deal is that the defenseman either backs off, or tries to squeeze the play out and stall it out forcing the puck down the boards but stopping Lucic. That was it. The hit was not even that big, and nothing that Lucic took offense to, so much so that he was skating away.
And then Komi cross checks him.... and starts the whole thing, but even when he had a chance to stop, he kept going past the linesman. So this was NOT Komi "standing up" to Lucic, the play was over. This was Komi being stupid in my mind.
There is a difference between standing your ground, and starting a fight. There was no ground to stand there, it was over, and Lucic was certainly not engaged. Komi started it and instead of "pumping up his team", he got his head smashed. That is why I don't give him credit. If Lucic had cross checked him after the play, and the results were the same, I would totally give Komi credit and actually would have a little disdain for Lucic for pressing a fight against a guy he has beaten before in a game that was getting out of hand in his team's favor.
I dont think you know what literal means since people are talking about a time where he literally didnt fight someone and would rather gaze into the ceiling of an arena instead of acknowledge the guy.
I don't think you know what common sense is. Quite often a player doesn't oblige another for a plethora of reasons including momentum, and mandates from the coach. Do you honestly think he'd willingly go with someone like Orr, or Carkner or any other heavy out there and then purposely shy away from a BGL type at the end of his career? Orr is more intimidating then BGL, BGL is rather nice and follows a code. Orr more often then not broke things.
Add to that it was well noted that Julien specifically told Lucic (20 years old at the time btw) not to fight the otherwise very useless Laraque. Had Laraque just dropped them you can be sure Lucic would have went, but his hand wasn't forced. Lucic was staring at the ceiling while Laraque was ever so politely asking him if he wouldn't mind fighting him, yes, no doubt thinking "my god this guy is a moron".
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And I suppose you were one of the ones calling Komisarek "scared" to fight him again.
I don't think anyone expected this honestly, and I honestly don't remember Komisarek doing anything of note since they last fought that would make me thing "Komisarek better answer the bell when Lucic comes calling", so no, that wouldn't have been me.
There is a fine line between courage and stupidity, and Komisarek imo crossed it. Guy needs to get back to playing hockey, hitting, blocking shots and most importantly being solid positionally. Not worrying about getting his team going by beating someone up with his face.
I don't think you know what common sense is. Quite often a player doesn't oblige another for a plethora of reasons including momentum, and mandates from the coach. Do you honestly think he'd willingly go with someone like Orr, or Carkner or any other heavy out there and then purposely shy away from BGL at the end of his career?
Add to that it was well noted that Julien specifically told Lucic (20 years old at the time btw) not to fight the otherwise very useless Laraque. Had Laraque just dropped them you can be sure Lucic would have went, but his hand wasn't forced. Lucic was staring at the ceiling while Laraque was ever so politely asking him if he wouldn't mind fighting him, yes, no doubt thinking "my god this guy is a moron".
I saw Rosehill challenge McQuaid last night, McQuaid declined....does anyone think McQuaid was afraid?
i love whats going on here...
The moral victory with Orr, yet give komi credit cuz he went with lucic. Yet lucic who's not a goon takes on Orr and got a punch on the nose is Orr's *****.
Komisarek seemed to be holding his own until he was punched in either the gut or ribs and the wind was knocked out of him. Looked like an attempted uppercut to the chin but hit Komisarek in the gut or ribs instead. Linesmen should have stepped in at that point because having the wind knocked out of you in that manner really leaves you at a significant disadvantage. Most fighters don't target that area, but I don't think Lucic intended to punch him there.
Gotta hand it to Komisarek. Lucic destroyed his career, he knew he wouldn't win this fight and did it anyway.
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Tv guy almost had an orgasm
It feels like it, at the same time, watching the fight in ClasslessGuy's post (that is the "Fight", right?), its actually not that bad... Kind of suprised me.
Lucic already stole Komisarek's soul.. Now he just plain beats up his body.
This.
Komi was never the same after that first fight when he played for The Habs.
But about last night, Komi must be learning impared. How many times must Lucic own him before Komi finally learns his lesson. I.E. dont pick fights when you know you cant win.
Komisarek seemed to be holding his own until he was punched in either the gut or ribs and the wind was knocked out of him. Looked like an attempted uppercut to the chin but hit Komisarek in the gut or ribs instead. Linesmen should have stepped in at that point because having the wind knocked out of you in that manner really leaves you at a significant disadvantage. Most fighters don't target that area, but I don't think Lucic intended to punch him there.
Lucic trains as a boxer in the offseason, he very much meant to punch him in the body. He has done it a lot more as his career has gone on.
Komisarek seemed to be holding his own until he was punched in either the gut or ribs and the wind was knocked out of him. Looked like an attempted uppercut to the chin but hit Komisarek in the gut or ribs instead. Linesmen should have stepped in at that point because having the wind knocked out of you in that manner really leaves you at a significant disadvantage. Most fighters don't target that area, but I don't think Lucic intended to punch him there.
I dont know about holding his own, but that body shot was NASTY. The look on Komis face after that shot was brutal.
Komi was never the same after that first fight when he played for The Habs.
But about last night, Komi must be learning impared. How many times must Lucic own him before Komi finally learns his lesson. I.E. dont pick fights when you know you cant win.
Did he destroy his career? Komisarek has had one good year in the NHL, when he was paired with Markov at his absolute best. Methinks, Markov playing at an elite level, masked the mediocrity that is Mike Komisarek.
Where is Komi hiding that extra 23 pounds he's supposed to have on Lucic? Lucic easily looks like the bigger, vastly more powerful player and Komi just needs to recognize that.
I saw Rosehill challenge McQuaid last night, McQuaid declined....does anyone think McQuaid was afraid?
I thought I caught that as well, back in the Bruins end as the puck went down the other end of the ice.
I was happy that McQuaid didn't go, and I would imagine, at that point, that the feeling was, "Let's close this one out, take the great win at home before a tough West Coast stretch, and stay HEALTHY".... I don't know that for sure, but there was nothing to be gained from Quaider going so he probably just said, "meh, not now"....
credit to komi for go with lucic again! Lucic is the better fighter (and player) and kicked his ass once again...
Sry but how can the refs call an extra penalty for lucic?
2 min roughing?! komisarek started with crosscheck and lucic answers..
2 min extra for lucic because he won the fight? or because he is lucic?
Not really, but to be honest, I was in a few hockey fights in my life, and nobody ever hit me in the gut and I was never hit in the gut.
I don't recall too many, if any, of the good NHL fighters ever hitting a guy in the gut as a tactic.
Rypien often threw body shots.
So did Kocur
As does Godard
Body shots happen and happen often enough, they aren't as common as punching someone in the face because they aren't as effective in most cases. Hardly cheap, and hardly comparable to a shot to the testies.
If it was done on purpose, I personally consider it a cheap shot. What's next, hitting a guy in the balls or pulling hair.
First thing you learn in fighting is head, body, head, body.
Nothing about that fight was dirty. You're grasping at straws.
Looch got the extra 2 for breaking away from the refs to start the fight. Rosehill got the extra two whan he got involved in the scrum that lead to the Campbell-Schenn fight.
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