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03-20-2012, 10:13 AM
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Another example is from Sunday's Jets Canes game.

On the Jets first goal by Andropov the play went Stuart>Andropov>Stafford>Andropov

Goal Andropov
Primary Assist Stafford
Secondary Assist Stuart

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03-20-2012, 10:17 AM
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Another example is from Sunday's Jets Canes game.

On the Jets first goal by Andropov the play went Stuart>Andropov>Stafford>Andropov

Goal Andropov
Primary Assist Stafford
Secondary Assist Stuart
This is the point I was trying to make earlier. This happens so often it's pretty much routine, You only had to go back to Sunday to find an example.

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OK...I misread the original post. I thought they had given Krejci the assist. I take back what I said about it being scored correctly.
Ok, gotcha. We're on the same page on this one.

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Yeah, it's always been A>B>C>B>C>B>C.

C gets the goal.
A and B get the assists.

...I honestly never thought this was up for debate.

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It's because you are right. This reminds me of how some people STILL don't realize players won't pick up a + when their team scores a PP goal but will pick up a - if they let up a shorthanded goal.
Wait... what?

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Wait... what?
I just looked up the boxscore for the game where the Bruins scored 3 Shorthanded goals in 1 PK against Carolina. All the players did get plusses and minusses (including Eric Staal, who was on the ice for all 3 SHG's)

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03-20-2012, 01:44 PM
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Wait... what?
did you forget this...?

a shorty gets pluses for the PK'ers, and minuses for the guys on the PP.

A PP goal is a wash in terms of that stat, "nobody gets nothin'".

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I just looked up the boxscore for the game where the Bruins scored 3 Shorthanded goals in 1 PK against Carolina. All the players did get plusses and minusses (including Eric Staal, who was on the ice for all 3 SHG's)
I wasn't sure what he meant but for a second I thought he might mean if you are on the PK and let a goal in the players get a minus. Scared me

But yes indeed if you are on the PP and let a goal in you get a minus.

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I think it's the on ice officials that give the names to the scorekeeper on the scoring play.

If a team asks for a change then they look into it, if nobody says a word nothing gets changed.

So I think.

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For people who are saying they have never seen this, pay more attention. The Bruins score keeper ALWAYS does this. The last two players to touch the puck before the goal is scored while the scoring team maintains possession get the assists.

Colt is correct.

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Why do you think it was the right call? Did Krejci not participate in the play immediately preceding the goal? I don't know where anyone gets the notion that assists get "negated" when a player get a return pass from the player they just passed it to. I think sometimes the league gives out assists a bit too freely, but that doesn't change the original point. If Krejci started the play between only Rolston and Chara, then Krejci participated in the play immediately preceding the play.
I later stated that i thought Krejci got the point and misread the OP.

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Bump.

Bruins first goal today, Ference passes to Krejci, Krejci carries, shoots, Lucic picks up loose puck, passes to Krejci, Krejci scores. Goal reads: Krejci from Lucic and Ference.

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Bump.

Bruins first goal today, Ference passes to Krejci, Krejci carries, shoots, Lucic picks up loose puck, passes to Krejci, Krejci scores. Goal reads: Krejci from Lucic and Ference.
In between all that did NYI control the puck?

If not, what do you want?

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Assists are handed out to the two DIFFERENT players who touched the puck on the offensive side before the goal was scored. If an opposing player touches the puck before another offensive player gets it, it negates any previous offensive player who touched the puck from picking up a point.

If the play had gone

Caron
Krejci
Chara
Rolston
Chara
= Goal

Then the assists would have gone to Rolston ( primary ) and Krejci ( secondary ).

If it had gone

Caron
Krejci
Komisarek
Chara
Rolston
Chara
= Goal

then it would have been just Rolston with the lone assist.
No, this is wrong. Once it went Chara to Rolston back to Chara, Krejci is no longer part of the goal. It has always been like this and it will always be like this.

If it had gone Krejci Rolston Chara than it would be an assist for Krejci.

How long have people been watching hockey? Scoring has never changed, in fact I think they give the secondary helper out too much. I think you should be directly involved with the play, not just dumped in down the ice and then get lucky your teammate picked it up first.

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Bump.

Bruins first goal today, Ference passes to Krejci, Krejci carries, shoots, Lucic picks up loose puck, passes to Krejci, Krejci scores. Goal reads: Krejci from Lucic and Ference.
Then this is a score keepers error and he should not have given Ference any credit. I missed the game today so I didn't see it but if it happened like you say it did, the score keeper screwed up.

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Then this is a score keepers error and he should not have given Ference any credit. I missed the game today so I didn't see it but if it happened like you say it did, the score keeper screwed up.
I think you're wrong, FYI.

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No, this is wrong. Once it went Chara to Rolston back to Chara, Krejci is no longer part of the goal. It has always been like this and it will always be like this.


No, you're wrong.

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Then this is a score keepers error and he should not have given Ference any credit. I missed the game today so I didn't see it but if it happened like you say it did, the score keeper screwed up.
Um no, it is not a screw up. This is how it has been for as long as I have watched hockey. I'm kind of surprised at all the people that don't know this.

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In between all that did NYI control the puck?

If not, what do you want?
I wanted to show that Krejci should have gotten that assist that started this thread.

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No, this is wrong. Once it went Chara to Rolston back to Chara, Krejci is no longer part of the goal. It has always been like this and it will always be like this.

If it had gone Krejci Rolston Chara than it would be an assist for Krejci.

How long have people been watching hockey? Scoring has never changed, in fact I think they give the secondary helper out too much. I think you should be directly involved with the play, not just dumped in down the ice and then get lucky your teammate picked it up first.
Bzzzt, wrong. Check today for another example.

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Can we get a lock on this? Why would you bump a thread from a week or two ago just to tell people they are wrong again?!

Trying to convince people that phantom assists are the proper call just so you can win a fantasy league isn't going to work.

All you have to do to get an assist in today's game is be on the ice. I can't remember the specific play, but I remember a Kouley rant on a guy getting an assist who didn't even touch the puck.

You might be right with the original argument and I might be wrong, but it's pretty lame to basically say "see, I told you" a week or 2 later to try to prove a point.

Who am I to judge though, my response is nearly as pointless as the bump. Sorry mods.

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Two examples from last night.

The play: Caron to Bennie to Rolston to Bennie - goal.

Boxscore: Goal Pouliet. Assists: Rolston ( Primary ) Caron ( Secondary )

The play: Krug to Lucic to Krejci to Lucic - goal

Boxscore: Goal Lucic. Assists: Krejci ( Primary ) Krug ( Secondary )

Incase you missed the game:

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/con...2,1207&lang=en

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