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03-20-2012, 04:16 PM
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It was a 3-2 game. The refs should have called Henrique for boarding. The same way they nailed Dubinsky for boarding. Dubinsky hit the NJ player from the side. Shoulder to shoulder. That wasn't a penalty. Either call them both or stop wasting everyones time with giving Dubinsky a 2 minute minor.
Bingo. Refs let the Devils get away with a LOT last night. Gabby got tripped up/interfered with at least twice when he was about to blow past a defender. Then they call some phantom call on McD.

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Then you play hard, and dominate them physically. That is how you send a message. Having a bunch of enforcers putting on a show is a waste of time. You want to sent a message, nail Kovalchuck/Malkin/Crosby. Thats how you send a message. If one of your guys has liberties taken against him, its perfectly fine to fight. Opening draw? That is some childish nonsense.

I don't watch hockey to watch the WWF.
Really? I couldn't tell with all the faux falling from some of the Pens. I swear to God, Crosby sells better than Davey Richards.

And you're starting to sound irritatingly like those no-nothing talking heads on TV.


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03-20-2012, 04:18 PM
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Prust was looking at the puck, Henrique was looking at Prust.

I think if It is in the Devil's zone and Henrique is a defenseman, for example, that is called interference.
That's something I thought about when I saw the replay. Prust was going to make the hockey play, Henrique was going for the hit. How is that hit any different from a defender skating back to touch up for an icing that gets hit 3 ft from the boards? There isn't. It should have been called. That's the kind of thing I thought the league was trying to crack down on.

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03-20-2012, 04:28 PM
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Stu Bickel(41 GP) has more points (8) than Cam Janssen(46 GP), Eric Boulton (48 GP), and Ryan Carter (63 GP) have COMBINED (7).

He is also a +4, while those three are a combined -34.

Keep playing that line DeLoser.

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Really? I couldn't tell with all the faux falling from some of the Pens. I swear to God, Crosby sells better than Davey Richards.

And you're starting to sound irritatingly like those no-nothing talking heads on TV.
Thats fine, but even Torts agrees with what I am saying.

Save your cheap digs for someone who cares what you think.

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03-20-2012, 04:42 PM
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"Usual"????

I don't recall seeing Hagelin be "lazy" let alone usually...he got caught short at the end of the shift.
That poster is always complaining about Hagelin, I wouldn't read too much into it.


When are guys planning to start growing the playoff beard?!

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Bingo. Refs let the Devils get away with a LOT last night. Gabby got tripped up/interfered with at least twice when he was about to blow past a defender. Then they call some phantom call on McD.
I've noticed an upswing in interference that hasn't been called in general of late. Seems like the refs have been letting it go.

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Then you play hard, and dominate them physically. That is how you send a message. Having a bunch of enforcers putting on a show is a waste of time. You want to sent a message, nail Kovalchuck/Malkin/Crosby. Thats how you send a message. If one of your guys has liberties taken against him, its perfectly fine to fight. Opening draw? That is some childish nonsense.

I don't watch hockey to watch the WWF.
Ironically, sending that "message" of nailing Kovalchuk (or equivalent superstar) is cause for the NHL to **** it's pants and start dolling out unnecessary suspensions and fines. That kind of "message" isn't permitted by the NHL anymore, regardless of how clean the hit may or may not have been. Unless you are sending out Gaborik to nail Kovalchuk, expect substantial league response, and frankly, I don't want Gaborik looking to do that.

That "bunch of enforcers" can actually play hockey (which can't be said for 2 of the 3 the Devils sent out). Prust, Rupp, and Bickel aren't explicitly fighters or goons. Boulton and Janssen are nothing more than goons. Childish nonsense? Blame the guy who sent out the goons looking for it. That "childish nonsense" fired up the team like they haven't been in months. Did you see Dubinsky's reaction? That was more than just getting the monkey off his back. The Rangers WANTED to dismantle them after that, and was exactly the wake-up call that they needed, mired in that slump. It wasn't done to respond to a clean hit (a la some of the BS fights you see lately, that you seem to want: "Taking liberties."), it was done to set the tone that they will NOT BACK DOWN when you try to intimidate them, which is exactly what PDB was trying to do. I might go as far as to say that is a season-defining moment for both clubs.

WWE? Get a grip. This is still the toughest sport on earth, and this will happen between two teams that knowingly despise each other, down to their coaches.

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03-20-2012, 04:51 PM
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I've noticed an upswing in interference that hasn't been called in general of late. Seems like the refs have been letting it go.
They're just gearing up for the playoffs

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I've noticed an upswing in interference that hasn't been called in general of late. Seems like the refs have been letting it go.
Yup. It seems fairly obvious to me that the league has decided they're going to go back to allowing certain types of obstruction in an effort to slow certain parts of the game down, thus reducing the amount of high-speed collisions and concussion-like injuries.

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Was there any news on Prust? I have not heard anything so I assume he is ok.

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When are guys planning to start growing the playoff beard?!
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Ironically, sending that "message" of nailing Kovalchuk (or equivalent superstar) is cause for the NHL to **** it's pants and start dolling out unnecessary suspensions and fines. That kind of "message" isn't permitted by the NHL anymore, regardless of how clean the hit may or may not have been. Unless you are sending out Gaborik to nail Kovalchuk, expect substantial league response, and frankly, I don't want Gaborik looking to do that.

That "bunch of enforcers" can actually play hockey (which can't be said for 2 of the 3 the Devils sent out). Prust, Rupp, and Bickel aren't explicitly fighters or goons. Boulton and Janssen are nothing more than goons. Childish nonsense? Blame the guy who sent out the goons looking for it. That "childish nonsense" fired up the team like they haven't been in months. Did you see Dubinsky's reaction? That was more than just getting the monkey off his back. The Rangers WANTED to dismantle them after that, and was exactly the wake-up call that they needed, mired in that slump. It wasn't done to respond to a clean hit (a la some of the BS fights you see lately, that you seem to want: "Taking liberties."), it was done to set the tone that they will NOT BACK DOWN when you try to intimidate them, which is exactly what PDB was trying to do. I might go as far as to say that is a season-defining moment for both clubs.

WWE? Get a grip. This is still the toughest sport on earth, and this will happen between two teams that knowingly despise each other, down to their coaches.
Great post Dfence033. I'm a Euro who usually sees fighting as a sideshow (well, at least when two goons start hitting eachother for no real reason), but that fight was something special. It was the mentality behind what happened as you described it. It was a great sparkplug for the team and the fans were livid.

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Great post Dfence033. I'm a Euro who usually sees fighting as a sideshow (well, at least when two goons start hitting eachother for no real reason), but that fight was something special. It was the mentality behind what happened as you described it. It was a great sparkplug for the team and the fans were livid.
agree with u and the quoted. it revved everyone up

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Whatever you guys do, don't watch the PTI comments about the beginning. I used to like the show, until this garbage.

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Whatever you guys do, don't watch the PTI comments about the beginning. I used to like the show, until this garbage.
Can't be surprised. I love Kornheiser and Wilbon but they think letting rapists, criminals and murders (coughRayLewiscough) compete is better than fighting.

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03-21-2012, 12:13 AM
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I have no idea what the future holds for Stu Bickel, but it sure is nice to see yet another non drafted Rangers prospect make the best of an opportunity and grab some NHL playing time.

It's a long way from Bakersfield Bick. Good for you man

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Bickel's a subpar d-man and he shouldn't be on our playoff roster playing D, if everything was going perfectly.

But i'd rather him than John Scott on the 4th line. Hell, put him there for Prust and let Prust rest.
No one will ever mistake Bickel for Ryan McDonagh, but I've seen the guy make some very nice plays.

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Agreed, we got some passengers on this team though(even if those passengers do work hard). Its why I don't think its our cup run year. They need to make some hard decisions in the off season.
Awfully nice of you to include that

I'd say that judging by some of the players post game comments, "passenger" would not be a word that his teammates would use to describe him.

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Awfully nice of you to include that

I'd say that judging by some of the players post game comments, "passenger" would not be a word that his teammates would use to describe him.
Perhaps not the teammates, and perhaps not the optimal word to describe the intent of what I was saying. I think there are a couple players that are simply serviceable when they have to be a bit more dynamic.

I think its going to be apparent in the playoffs. There are probably going to have to upgrade key areas. I feel this playoff run is going to be the testing ground for what upgrades are needed.

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Then you play hard, and dominate them physically. That is how you send a message. Having a bunch of enforcers putting on a show is a waste of time. You want to sent a message, nail Kovalchuck/Malkin/Crosby. Thats how you send a message. If one of your guys has liberties taken against him, its perfectly fine to fight. Opening draw? That is some childish nonsense.
Unfortunately, that is not the way the league works.

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Went back a couple of pages and did not see this posted yet, so apologize if I missed it. I called it this that night, knew the league wouldn't like having that brawl on National TV. I can see it now though the visiting team sends out a line of goons, but the home team can't because they will get fined/suspended and the visiting team beats up on the home teams stars, also this proposal kills the final line change rule for at least opening faceoffs, unless they penalize the visiting team for putting goons out to start, either way it could hurt strategy of one or both teams. Hopefully they would fine both:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=390928

CAMPBELL: RULE CHANGES POSSIBLE AFTER DEVILS-RANGERS BRAWL

NHL executive vice-president Colin Campbell says the NHL may be willing to contemplate some rule changes following Monday night's melee in the opening seconds of the game between the New York Rangers and New Jersey Devils.

In the game, three fights took place simultaneously as soon as the puck was dropped to start the game.

In an interview with ESPN hockey insider Pierre LeBrun, Campbell said it would not be out of the question for the NHL to institute a rule similar to the one employed in the last five minutes of a game. Rule 46.22 - which Campbell helped institute - says that an instigator fighting penalty in the last five minutes of a game carries with it a one-game suspension and a $10,000 fine levied to the offending team's head coach.

"What we did with the competition committee coming out of the lockout, we crafted a new rule at the end of the game," Campbell told ESPN.com. "We put the onus on the coach and the player."

Campbell explained to Lebrun that the new rule would follow in the footsteps of Rule 46.22, and could become a possibility if there was an appetite for it among the 30 NHL general managers and the NHL Competition Committee.

"If the GMs find this [line brawl from Monday night] unacceptable, maybe we'd craft it the same way at the start of the game, put the onus on both the player and the coach? Or you'd have to find a current interpretation of the rulebook," Campbell said.

LeBrun reported that NHL GM's were not happy with the brawl and said the issue may be discussed again next summer as part of talks for the next Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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03-21-2012, 09:19 AM
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Why is this such a big deal? I thought it was awesome.

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nobody got an instigator penalty in the brawl, so who cares?

if they want to stop crap like that, just eliminate fighting altogether. its really the only way to stop it. what are they going to do...say no fights in the first 5 minutes, and no fights in the last 5? thats so stupid.

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