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03-20-2012, 10:17 AM
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I don't see the habs buying him out, makes no sense cap wise. Put him on waivers or trade him for a lesser contract to bury.

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03-20-2012, 10:50 AM
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I hope it's not a buyout, send him to Hamilton or in the KHL on loan
Molson has too much respect for Gomez to send him to rot in the AHL.

They will buy him out - whatever the cost - and allow him to find a new NHL team.


Just by getting rid of him, Molson will be able to attract more season's ticket buyers !!!

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03-20-2012, 10:58 AM
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03-20-2012, 11:03 AM
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Molson has too much respect for Gomez to send him to rot in the AHL.

They will buy him out - whatever the cost - and allow him to find a new NHL team.


Just by getting rid of him, Molson will be able to attract more season's ticket buyers !!!
Who cares about respect, it's a business look at the Rangers and Redden. Buying him out is adding cap space for 2 more years at almost 2 million per year which can be used for better purpose

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03-20-2012, 11:04 AM
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We don't even know what the buyout terms will be under the new CBA, much less whether there will be a buyout window that doesn't count against the cap. So this rumor seems awful premature to me.

Under the current rules, no way we buy him out. If there's a window, maybe Molson's willing to eat the money and cut out the cancer.

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03-20-2012, 11:06 AM
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no comment, except to say, i'm still not over seeing people cheer the sob when he finally scored a goal

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03-20-2012, 11:24 AM
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Why would NJ want him or pay him anything decent.
Also, how would he be worth even what Dominic Moore is making, which is $1.1 million per year on a 1 year deal.

If we get a buyout option of 1 player I hope we use it for either Kaberle or Bourque.

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03-20-2012, 11:25 AM
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If I were the GM, I'd tell him to find a job in Europe or else he'll be ride buses in the AHL.

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03-20-2012, 11:27 AM
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Can someone explain what an amnesty buyout is?

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03-20-2012, 11:29 AM
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Can someone explain what an amnesty buyout is?
It's something the NBA added to their new CBA, basically it allows a team to buy out the rest of one player's contract without it counting toward the salary cap.

If it's added to the NHL it means we can get rid of Gomez completely.

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03-20-2012, 11:29 AM
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Can someone explain what an amnesty buyout is?
As part of the last CBA there was an amnesty clause where teams were given a small window where they could buy out a player with no cap-hit penalty. The hope is that a similar clause is added in the new CBA.

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Won't happen until the new CBA is approved. Will surely have an amnesty buyout.
Why do people think this is a given? It was in the last CBA so that teams could get under the cap. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it's in this one.

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03-20-2012, 11:46 AM
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He can share some of that with PG, his head of pro scouting and assistant GM who curiously lived in the NYC area and watched/attended all the NYR/NJD/NYI and Pennsylvania games....

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03-20-2012, 11:51 AM
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As part of the last CBA there was an amnesty clause where teams were given a small window where they could buy out a player with no cap-hit penalty. The hope is that a similar clause is added in the new CBA.
Which is unlikely since we're already operating under cap rules.

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03-20-2012, 12:02 PM
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Why would NJ want him or pay him anything decent.
Also, how would he be worth even what Dominic Moore is making, which is $1.1 million per year on a 1 year deal.

If we get a buyout option of 1 player I hope we use it for either Kaberle or Bourque.
Lets buyout Plekanec while we are at it, Gionta and Markov too. Your assessment of talent and value is hilarious.

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03-20-2012, 12:09 PM
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Which is unlikely since we're already operating under cap rules.
I think there is a fifty-fifty chance. There are reasons for and against deals like this. Its a work-around that puts more money into the NHLPA's coffers which may appeal to them. I wouldn't count on it as being part of the CBA, but it certainly is a possibility.

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03-20-2012, 12:14 PM
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I think there is a fifty-fifty chance. There are reasons for and against deals like this. Its a work-around that puts more money into the NHLPA's coffers which may appeal to them. I wouldn't count on it as being part of the CBA, but it certainly is a possibility.
Even if it is, the buyout period is in June (iirc) and the CBA expires in September. I'm not exactly sure lugging around Gomez with that expectation is the correct choice.

If they don't intend to bury him, having no Gomez clause might mean him in the lineup next year.

I'm not sure which of the buyout cap hit or his presence I dread more.

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03-20-2012, 12:15 PM
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Lets buyout Plekanec while we are at it, Gionta and Markov too. Your assessment of talent and value is hilarious.
What would the value of Bourque or Kaberle be? We would almost certainly have to take a garbage contract back in exchange for trading either of them. Which, in my mind gives both of them a negative value.

Why should we waste a buyout on Gomez? He's a minor league player and if he doesn't like going to the minors he can retire or refuse to report.

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03-20-2012, 12:16 PM
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Won't happen until the new CBA is approved. Will surely have an amnesty buyout.
I have seen this mentioned before.

Just wondering why the majority of teams would in any way be in favour of these buyouts. The ability to buy a player out means the ability to spend new money and compete for free agents. I can't imagine the teams that have managed their payroll well would have any interest in letting others off the hook for Gomezesque contracts so they could then turn around and compete against them for free agents.

I think Gomez is a problem that has no easy solution.

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03-20-2012, 12:20 PM
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Two buyouts in two years would set a new record, no?

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03-20-2012, 12:26 PM
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no comment, except to say, i'm still not over seeing people cheer the sob when he finally scored a goal
Take a chill pill, kid. It's just a game. Calling anyone SOB is stupid.

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03-20-2012, 12:27 PM
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What would the value of Bourque or Kaberle be? We would almost certainly have to take a garbage contract back in exchange for trading either of them. Which, in my mind gives both of them a negative value.

Why should we waste a buyout on Gomez? He's a minor league player and if he doesn't like going to the minors he can retire or refuse to report.
Bourque is a third liner and Kaberle is producing quite fine. Bourque has scored 75 goals over the last 3 seasons.

Neither is overpaid to the point they would be considered for a buyout and they could be moved if nessessary.

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03-20-2012, 12:29 PM
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If there's a buyout it probably won't count against the cap. The league is looking to lower the cap in the new CBA and its speculated that non-punishing buyouts or banishment in the minors will be one of the concessions to the PA. I think it will take a lot more than that, I don't think the players are ready to take another dial-back on salaries.

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03-20-2012, 12:31 PM
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Either Fehr and Bettman really aren't sure where they're going yet, or they aren't sharing much/any of it. So I don't think anybody out there has a real sense of whether the next CBA is mostly just going to be a re-up of the existing one with a few tweaks (which would make some sense IMHO) or something more different that requires a lengthier negotiation and more possibility of adjustments. I guess the latter favours us in term of the amnesty buyout possibility. But I don't know how anybody guesses one way or the other whether it's coming or not. Neither side seems to be tipping their hand, they seem very content to let the season play out and not distract from it.

Probably the BoG members will have some inkling of what's coming at some point. If Gomez gets bought out on June 15th, we can assume there were some upper level hints that the amnesty wasn't likely coming. If he doesn't, then it's just more uncertainty. Still 3 months or more left on the Gomez ticker for us. We're not going to get any final answers yet, alas.

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Won't happen until the new CBA is approved. Will surely have an amnesty buyout.
Bingo!

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