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03-21-2012, 02:13 PM
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If Ovie scores 50 empty netters, we won 50 games.
Unless he scored 2 in a game, like that turd-bucket Michalek, for Ottawa. Talk about a meaningless hat trick.

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03-21-2012, 02:55 PM
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Yeah, the Backstrom thing doesn't land for me. He averaged 50 goals over two full seasons with Zubrus as his center.
20 per year were PPG.

Anyway, whether 19 is on 8's line or not, his absence puts a dent in team's overall scoring and Ovie individually.

A top playmaking center draws penalties, draws opposing checking-line attention, and increases flow of, and scoring in, games.

Sure would be nice to get the guy back.

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Yeah, the Backstrom thing doesn't land for me. He averaged 50 goals over two full seasons with Zubrus as his center.
Except Zubrus could make a decent pass to Ovi every now and then. Laich couldn't do that if his life depended on it and Mojo is inconsistent and weak.

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03-21-2012, 03:27 PM
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People really think that Backstrom makes a 30 goal difference? What the **** happened last year then? Quit grasping at straws.

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03-21-2012, 03:41 PM
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Ovi is defended much differently than when he had 50G years with no help

We all know this, right?

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03-21-2012, 03:59 PM
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People really think that Backstrom makes a 30 goal difference? What the **** happened last year then? Quit grasping at straws.
Not 30 goals, but 30 points for sure. What happened last year? Bäckström had a down year, as had Ovi. With Bäckström healthy all year 10 goals and 20 assists more from Ovi would have been possible, don't you agree?

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Not 30 goals, but 30 points for sure. What happened last year? Bäckström had a down year, as had Ovi. With Bäckström healthy all year 10 goals and 20 assists more from Ovi would have been possible, don't you agree?
No.

Ovechkin's goals per game has improved without Backstrom (.45 vs .48). His points per game has decreased from .42 to .25.

Assuming those numbers from pre Jan 3 hold steady, Ovechkin would be sitting at 31 goals and 29 assists. Roughly as ****** as his current numbers.

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03-21-2012, 04:11 PM
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Ovi is defended much differently than when he had 50G years with no help

We all know this, right?
Yeah but his line mates actually tried to get open, instead of crowding Ovechkin. I hate how people think Ovechkin is a pure goal scorer, he can give passes too, and people knew it. So if his line mates actually would try to get open they can't have 3 guys on Ovechkin.

This is pure coaching. Hunter needs to tell Laich and MoJo to get off Ovechkins ass and get open, not try to force stupid passes to him after passing up a smart one.

Ovi with grinders worked because they grinded down low while Ovechkin could stay in the slot.


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I would seriously consider giving Ovie second line minutes and responsibilities next year if we can put together a decent first one.

I think he might do very well in a Bondra during the Jagr years role. The offense on those teams wasn't the problem.

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Ovi is defended much differently than when he had 50G years with no help

We all know this, right?
It rings a little hollow...

Years ago when he was the only option on the team and teams could easily focus solely on him, he dominated. Now that there are other scoring options, he's suddenly rendered less effective by better D schemes?

This is all on Ovy...he has to adapt and be creative. Stamkos still finds a way to get into the shooting spot when he's covered.

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People really think that Backstrom makes a 30 goal difference? What the **** happened last year then? Quit grasping at straws.
give us something stronger to grasp at, and we'll quit with the straws.

it's true he sucked last year, too. (by his standards anyway.) but not as bad as this year.

last year he had 53 assists and 85 points. this year he has 24 assists and 56 points. that's another big drop-off, on top of the drop-off from 2010 to 2011. such a bummer.

but all is forgiven the day he raises the Cup. as long as he's still in a Caps uniform.

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Our center depth rings hollow. I would like to have Zubie right now. Teams did not focus on him nearly enough in that era. He had to first dominate to attain such a defensive bullseye. The Hart did it.

The RD rarely challenged. He was not double nor triple teamed. I always wondered why teams didn't figure out how to defend the move long before they did. He rarely to never had his head up to pass even. Now the LD comes over before he cuts inside.

There is more in play than the quality of his centers. Many things actually. Make no mistake, losing Nick hurts this team a lot. Ovi has been looking to pass more than ever. To Aucoin now, his stick so big he cant even one time it

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give us something stronger to grasp at, and we'll quit with the straws.
I'm amazed at the extent to which people are ignoring McPhee's and Kolzig's comments on Alex.

It sure looks like he's sucking because of his work ethic and his lack of dedication to his game. I don't know how much clearer you need it spelled out.

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I'm amazed at the extent to which people are ignoring McPhee's and Kolzig's comments on Alex.

It sure looks like he's sucking because of his work ethic and his lack of dedication to his game. I don't know how much clearer you need it spelled out.
criticism doesnt stick to ovechkin. ive been trying to point out that unless his game returns to something resembling the first team allstar/hart trophy condidate game that set his salary, that his contract is a boat anchor.

yet everyone wants to focus on semin or green who are on expiring contracts.

does anyone here really think that olie kolzig who is a company guy shot his mouth off without a basis in fact behind his comments?

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You have no idea about the personal politics. Remember Kolzig losing his job on a team Ovechkin was leading? Don't even try to assume.

Ovechkin needs to play better, but that has nothing to do with Kolzig's mouth.

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If he doesn't go back to the old Ovie and continues this I still don't see the contract as a big problem it's definitely not great but whatever

5 years ago? Ya that's a huge problem, now with the Caps 25 million dollars higher and going up every year it doesn't affect things near as much.

Once the league adds Quebec the Cap will go up even more as well

Side note **** Quebec leave Canada

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You have no idea about the personal politics. Remember Kolzig losing his job on a team Ovechkin was leading? Don't even try to assume.

Ovechkin needs to play better, but that has nothing to do with Kolzig's mouth.
thats true, but it was followed fairly closely by the notoriously quiet mcphee speaking out on similar issues

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It's worth repeating. I'm amazed at the extent to which people are ignoring Kolzig's and McPhee's comments on Alex.

Occam's razor says he has sucked for two years for exactly the reasons they put forth.

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It's worth repeating. I'm amazed at the extent to which people are ignoring Kolzig's and McPhee's comments on Alex.

Occam's razor says he has sucked for two years for exactly the reasons they put forth.
Did he have a better work ethic in the previous five years? Did he only start partying last year?

Further, didn't McPhee say that Ovie arrived this fall in the best shape he'd been in for a long time (including GMGM's Rain Man-like recall of Ovie's body weight at start of each of prior 5 seasons)?

The other big factor cited in the recent Washingto Post piece on #8 was loss of confidence. I agree with those who were quoted on the subject; whether it started with the Montreal series, or the Olympics, or whatever else, Ovie seems to have much less confidence as a player now.

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If he doesn't go back to the old Ovie and continues this I still don't see the contract as a big problem it's definitely not great but whatever

5 years ago? Ya that's a huge problem, now with the Caps 25 million dollars higher and going up every year it doesn't affect things near as much.

Once the league adds Quebec the Cap will go up even more as well

Side note **** Quebec leave Canada
huh?

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I'm amazed at the extent to which people are ignoring Kolzig's and McPhee's comments on Alex.

Occam's razor says he has sucked for two years for exactly the reasons they put forth.
The other obvious problem with the McPhee/Kolzig critique of Ovechkin is that it's totally self-serving. If the Caps are sucking because Ovechkin is sucking, and if Ovechkin is sucking because he either isn't trying hard enough or is partying too hard, then the blame lies with Ovechkin. McPhee is absolved for any and all roster decisions during off-season and at deadline, and for the choice of Hunter as new coach, and for his handling of Sjogren situation, etc. The problem with the McPhee/Kolzig line is that it makes the captain the scapegoat. That's some weasly undermining crap right there. If you don't think he is captain material, then take away his C or deal the guy. Don't bellyache to the Washington Post about it. McPhee seemed like a double-talking weasel during the Belanger mess, and he still seems that way now. Nothing is ever his fault.

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The other obvious problem with the McPhee/Kolzig critique of Ovechkin is that it's totally self-serving. If the Caps are sucking because Ovechkin is sucking, and if Ovechkin is sucking because he either isn't trying hard enough or is partying too hard, then the blame lies with Ovechkin. McPhee is absolved for any and all roster decisions during off-season and at deadline, and for the choice of Hunter as new coach, and for his handling of Sjogren situation, etc. The problem with the McPhee/Kolzig line is that it makes the captain the scapegoat. That's some weasly undermining crap right there. If you don't think he is captain material, then take away his C or deal the guy. Don't bellyache to the Washington Post about it. McPhee seemed like a double-talking weasel during the Belanger mess, and he still seems that way now. Nothing is ever his fault.
And apparently nothing is Ovechkin's fault either.

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The fact that people are still raising Sjogren as a criticism of McPhee is truly mind-boggling.

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The other obvious problem with the McPhee/Kolzig critique of Ovechkin is that it's totally self-serving..
ok...who is clean enough to criticize ovechkin?

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There is no shortage of Ovie criticism, from all quarters. We don't lack Ovie critics, clean or not.

I was just saying, the team's troubles are not ALL his fault, and his own troubles are more complicated than just 'work ethic.' And 19 missing half the season does indeed contribute to both Ovie's decline and the team's decline. That's the sum total of what I was trying to say.

As much as it may 'amaze' BrooklynCapsFan, i take McPhee's public comments, on any topic, with a grain of salt.

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