That's a completely made up "rumor" - this is the same guy who said he saw Rychel having dinner with a family, and when the kid went to thebathroom he followed him in and asked him who he was and said he was the DiGuissippe kid. Then he said his daughter works at Boston Pizza in Tecumseh and Ebert said he was traded.
Just heard tics still available for Friday and Monday if any1 is interested in making the trip
I'm not sure if it would be safe, there's bound to be rioting after the game if the Spits pull off a victory. That whole town is full of hooligans I tell ya! First the banana, then the rioting, it's just a matter of time until we have to wall off the forrest city and make it a big prison like Escape from New York. We Windsor fans are a respectful and well behaved group, I don't know if we'd enjoy the atmosphere at the John Labatte Thunderdome.
Oh ya, tickets are definitely available. I just looked up tickets "best available - 6"...Section 104 Row C. That's right next to the benches. My buddies and I are up in 317 on Friday night.
I'll be watching Pavelka's rapier like saves on cable 11, I have to work until 800 friday or I would be all over that. It's probably good that I won't be making the road trip, I'd probably end up getting arrested for throwing a banana on the ice for shts and giggles.
So looking at the import situation going into the summer, would it not make sense to try to deal Koko prior to the import draft?
I say this because:
1) He'd bring higher return than Pavelka, provided there was some assurance he plays in the OHL next year
2) He's likely not part of the 2014 master plan, or if he is its because you plan to deal him during the season which messes with the import situation for the draft (you have to move Pavelka)
3) Keeping him over Pavelka means you need to still need to spend assets to get an experieced goaltender to go with Dekort next year. I thought Dekort looked good in both the Saginaw and SSM games and can see him being the future, but leaning on him as the #1 next year without a vetran second option I don't see happening.
I think I'd rather see them move Koko if there was a good offer and keep Pavelka.
I would guess they already have someone from the U17 tourney locked up and commited. If there was ever a year to have a high import pick, having it in the year where all these players come spent two weeks in your city is pretty good timing.
In theory where the Spits have a loaded team returning it might be plausible but when you start looking closer it doesn't seem to make sense.
1. A team will want to make sure Khokhlachev is cleared and his lacerated kidney is fine and there are no risks with trading for him.
2. Khokhlachev and Pavelka neither will be around for this huge run they want to make.
3. As of right now Khokhlachev is their only gifted playmaker down the middle. The numbers without him in the lineup are absolutely scary. Big risk in trading him and leaving Clarke as your #1 center quite possibly.
4. No guarantee you get a big return for Khokhlachev in the form of player/players how quickly we forget the return for Kuhnhackl. Nothing against Pavelka and picks and maybe DiGiuseppe but the only body we have gotten back for Kuhnhackl was Pavelka. I am not doing this same ole song and dance with Khokhlachev. The team needs to win games next year and has to look like a top 2-3 seed in the conference to make that Memorial Cup bid.
4. No guarantee you get a big return for Khokhlachev in the form of player/players how quickly we forget the return for Kuhnhackl. Nothing against Pavelka and picks and maybe DiGiuseppe but the only body we have gotten back for Kuhnhackl was Pavelka. I am not doing this same ole song and dance with Khokhlachev. The team needs to win games next year and has to look like a top 2-3 seed in the conference to make that Memorial Cup bid.
The Kuhnhackl deal turned out to be a steal. Pavelka was only flipped for import card convince on the dogs part turned out to be more valuable to the Spitfires then Kuhnhackl. Imagine the train wreck if they had to depend on Cullen to hold the fort. Razyor you'd had a field day with that. At worst Pav for Tommy is a wash then add the picks, however that deal played into Bateman ending up in Windsor and then if the DiGiuseppe kid ever shows. Plus if they trade Pavelka the assets come back are a bonus for a throw in to the original deal. No matter how poo poo it is.
It will be interesting how the Spits do handle the import situation moving forward. Remember the days when they would just pass on the draft two save the money on a pick. These are tough decisions but good problems.
Nice to see the league make a scoring change giving Hunter Smith his 1st OHL goal from the game in SSM
Weird scoring only a couple goals by Windsor had multiple assists,whereas most of the Hounds goals had 2 assists
Must of thought they were scoring in Europe or had trouble counting past 1
The Kuhnhackl deal turned out to be a steal. Pavelka was only flipped for import card convince on the dogs part turned out to be more valuable to the Spitfires then Kuhnhackl. Imagine the train wreck if they had to depend on Cullen to hold the fort. Razyor you'd had a field day with that. At worst Pav for Tommy is a wash then add the picks, however that deal played into Bateman ending up in Windsor and then if the DiGiuseppe kid ever shows. Plus if they trade Pavelka the assets come back are a bonus for a throw in to the original deal. No matter how poo poo it is.
It will be interesting how the Spits do handle the import situation moving forward. Remember the days when they would just pass on the draft two save the money on a pick. These are tough decisions but good problems.
There's absolutely no way you can say Tommy for Pav was a wash. Strictly talking from a talent perspective Tommy is much more talented and would have brought more to the table. What makes you think Pavelka has a lot of value? Prior post in the other thread 16-18 teams already have a #1 going into next year.
Value to the Spitfires? They're even, or at least Kuhn is just slightly ahead.
You're looking at the value aspect all wrong. Pavelka brings a sense of calmness to the net, with the acrobatic saves and his ability to steal games. Without him, we'd have Cullen and DeKort. While I love DeKort's potential, it's unlikely he steals games at this point like Pavelka did. Cullen would have been Cullen, regardless. I really believe Pavelka won us 4-5 games down the stretch. You think Cullen shuts the Knights down last week? Nope, sorry.
Sure, we could have used Tommy's offence, but in the long run, Pavelka proved just as valuable to the post-season as Tommy might have.
Value to the Spitfires? They're even, or at least Kuhn is just slightly ahead.
You're looking at the value aspect all wrong. Pavelka brings a sense of calmness to the net, with the acrobatic saves and his ability to steal games. Without him, we'd have Cullen and DeKort. While I love DeKort's potential, it's unlikely he steals games at this point like Pavelka did. Cullen would have been Cullen, regardless. I really believe Pavelka won us 4-5 games down the stretch. You think Cullen shuts the Knights down last week? Nope, sorry.
Sure, we could have used Tommy's offence, but in the long run, Pavelka proved just as valuable to the post-season as Tommy might have.
Value to the Spitfires? They're even, or at least Kuhn is just slightly ahead.
You're looking at the value aspect all wrong. Pavelka brings a sense of calmness to the net, with the acrobatic saves and his ability to steal games. Without him, we'd have Cullen and DeKort. While I love DeKort's potential, it's unlikely he steals games at this point like Pavelka did. Cullen would have been Cullen, regardless. I really believe Pavelka won us 4-5 games down the stretch. You think Cullen shuts the Knights down last week? Nope, sorry.
Sure, we could have used Tommy's offence, but in the long run, Pavelka proved just as valuable to the post-season as Tommy might have.
Kuhnhackl would have provided value in not having to force square pegs into round holes. There were forwards playing where they shouldn't have been and as a result forwards struggled at times. If I recall earlier in the year you said the Spits should have dumped Campbell because they had Cullen. This discussion is going off the tracks it was meant as a response to trading Khokhlachev and keeping Pavelka and I still haven't heard good rationale for that.
Kuhnhackl would have provided value in not having to force square pegs into round holes. There were forwards playing where they shouldn't have been and as a result forwards struggled at times. If I recall earlier in the year you said the Spits should have dumped Campbell because they had Cullen. This discussion is going off the tracks it was meant as a response to trading Khokhlachev and keeping Pavelka and I still haven't heard good rationale for that.
The forwards not playing where they're supposed to had nothing to do with Kuhnhackl, as he played four games for us all year. We dealt a premiere forward, who hadn't played much since May, for picks and this goaltender we knew little about. That goaltender has stolen some games for us and, really, is a big reason we are where we are.
Now, you want a reasonable rationale for trading Koko?
(note: I don't necessarily believe this, but you asked, you shall receive)
Koko is a 93, so he's got at least one more year, plus an OA potential. To me, his value is just as high, if not higher, than Kuhnhackl's is, as a goal scorer. When this team lacked offence, the team jumped on Koko's shoulders and he carried them. Sure, some nights he was off, but he's a kid, that's not surprising.
There's no reason you can't get a 94 or 95 sniper, someone already proven, plus a veteran who's invaluable in the dressing room, as well as a few picks, for Koko.
Koko won't be around for the Cup run, unless something really, really odd happens. This would be your chance to get a ton for him, while helping a team in need next season.
When you look at Pavelka...right now you have him and DeKort playing next year. Sure, you could go out and get a 93 goaltender, but Pavelka knows the team, knows the fans, and is clearly comfortable here. He would be a great asset to help DeKort learn the league. You give Pavelka 30 games, DeKort 35, and then DeKort is ready to take the reigns when it counts.
I'm not saying this is what we need to do. Not by any means. I'm just giving you the rationale behind dealing Koko and keeping Pavelka. It's not as far fetched as you'd want to think .
We need to win next year - we'd need to trade Koko for an 18 yr old of near similar skill and who would do that? Given we'd be getting two years for one, we'd have to take a noticeable hit in the talent department or include other picks/pieces.
Not to mention it's Kerby's draft year - I can't see Warren trading away Kerby's likely center for most of, if not all of, next season.
I think there's a case to be made both ways on Pavelka. If we keep him, I'd accept all the consequences of that decision. I do believe in him as a number one goalie in this league, and I'm not confident in finding one of equal or greater ability to replace him, without paying a monster price. Its too much to expect Dekort to carry the team, or be as good as Pavelka next year. If we were offered a great package from some stupid team that struggles getting imports to report for Koko, you'd have to consider it. If Findlay is the overager from the Sault that we secure, he's going to be able to play with Kirby.
Findlay might have to play with Kerby anyway if Koko starts the year injured. I'm not sure we can trade him if he's injured, so it might be a moot point really. If we can't trade Koko in the offseason because of injury, we won't be able to add that top import without unloading Pavelka. Man, what a tough decision. It's probably going to depend on what kind of offers he gets for Pavelka before the import draft.
^Or what kind of offers we get for the import pick. Also which import we'd be lined up to get. We'd have the 15th pick, but the draft is not really a draft.
I hate trading the kid as he seems to have been jerked around a bit. Brought over, traded as an afterthought throw-in, we weren't sure if we'd even burn a card on him - than he ends up our starter and then we have to trade him because of import limit.
These are tough decisions but good problems.
