So has Crawford, what's your point? We should be happy to get any coach that has won a cup? There's more to it than that for me, they need to be the right fit for the players that we have.
My real beef with Quennville is he hasn't gotten a whole lot out of a team that is a lot better than the Oil.
This organization is very deep at the AHL level of talent. Filling the void at the AHL level is a lot easier than the NHL level, especially when you still have stellar goaltending on your side.
They've deep in the AHL for what, 2-3 years now? The guy Todd Nelson replaced, Rob Daum, wasn't that good.
His two seasons as HC for the Falcons resulted in missing the playoffs both times. The first season is forgivable due to the crapiness of the roster, the 2nd season he had a decent roster but had a 0.413 win%. (including 3 players with >50 points and 20g, something which last years OKC team had too).
While it's never an easy and straight across success tale, Nelson has a lot of good factors indicating that he'd be a pretty good coach in the NHL. His system seems something that would fit this young Oilers team quite well.
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Only way I want Renney back next season is if he's an assistant. He's a motivator that says all the right things, but not the guy we need in charge of the team
Renney has been mediocre in his development of Gagner and has been baffling in his approach to developing Paajarvi and Omark, to the point where if today we wanted to move the later two, we'd likely get a bag of peanuts for them and nothing more on the trade market.
If he wanted my vote of confidence, he'd have done a better job with the kids that actually need help in their development.
Hall/Eberle/RNH ... these kids will produce under any coach that throws them out onto the ice every third shift.
They've deep in the AHL for what, 2-3 years now? The guy Todd Nelson replaced, Rob Daum, wasn't that good.
His two seasons as HC for the Falcons resulted in missing the playoffs both times. The first season is forgivable due to the crapiness of the roster, the 2nd season he had a decent roster but had a 0.413 win%. (including 3 players with >50 points and 20g, something which last years OKC team had too).
While it's never an easy and straight across success tale, Nelson has a lot of good factors indicating that he'd be a pretty good coach in the NHL. His system seems something that would fit this young Oilers team quite well.
Under the Daum era who were the vets? What was the goaltending? One thing ST has done well has made the steps to make sure this AHL team has a chance to succeed every year.
They've deep in the AHL for what, 2-3 years now? The guy Todd Nelson replaced, Rob Daum, wasn't that good.
His two seasons as HC for the Falcons resulted in missing the playoffs both times. The first season is forgivable due to the crapiness of the roster, the 2nd season he had a decent roster but had a 0.413 win%. (including 3 players with >50 points and 20g, something which last years OKC team had too).
While it's never an easy and straight across success tale, Nelson has a lot of good factors indicating that he'd be a pretty good coach in the NHL. His system seems something that would fit this young Oilers team quite well.
Look at the roster he was given to work with. Once a team was secured in OKC, THEN the Oilers brass decided to sign AHL veterans and strong players to augment our prospects. He never got a fair shake from this organization.
So has Crawford, what's your point? We should be happy to get any coach that has won a cup? There's more to it than that for me, they need to be the right fit for the players that we have.
Quenville has been successful with a young fast skilled team. Remind you of anyone? yep edmonton has that type of team. He capitialised on the strengths to outweigh the weaknesses.
That is really what pisses me off about renney. Edmonton might not be a great team but its not a 29th place them. For all our weaknesses we have strengths. Renney doesn't utilize the strengths enough and fully exemplifies the weaknesses.
The thing is I'm okay with Nelson, but lets be honest. He has a lot of options down there to work with. Take away the two goalies who both can be starters and where is that team? He's done a lot of good, but like players that do well in the AHL it doesn't always translate to the NHL level.
Here's the other thing. We end up with 75 points this year how much of an increase should we have with a new coach to consider it success? And how much of that is because our young players are continuing to grow?
Quenville has been successful with a young fast skilled team. Remind you of anyone? yep edmonton has that type of team. He capitialised on the strengths to outweigh the weaknesses.
That is really what pisses me off about renney. Edmonton might not be a great team but its not a 29th place them. For all our weaknesses we have strengths. Renney doesn't utilize the strengths enough and fully exemplifies the weaknesses.
Need a goal? bench the kids.
Extra attacker? Belanger.
Defending a lead? Send out potter and peckham.
Honestly I don't think Renney really has the chops to coach an offensive oriented team.
The thing is I'm okay with Nelson, but lets be honest. He has a lot of options down there to work with. Take away the two goalies who both can be starters and where is that team? He's done a lot of good, but like players that do well in the AHL it doesn't always translate to the NHL level.
Here's the other thing. We end up with 75 points this year how much of an increase should we have with a new coach to consider it success? And how much of that is because our young players are continuing to grow?
And Renney had less options?
Dubnyk and Khabi can both also be starters in the NHL.
Eager, Smyth, Jones, Horcoff, Hartikainen could have been above average bottom 6 players.
Renney had Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Gagner, Paajarvi, Omark and Hemsky as skilled forwards.
This team could beat any team on a given night. Had a great start to the season. A great coach would have been able to keep that going... is the Hitch signed past this season?
Minor league coach, just like the back up goalie or backup QB.
I would not want Nelson to be the coach. If Renney gets replaced then Tambo should be on the friggin hot seat. Quinn his hand picked coach, dumped after 1 year rather than the planned 2. Renney dumped after 2 years.
I remember back when Julien was coaching the farm team and some wanted him to take MacTs place. Maybe it wouldn't have been such a bad idea.
Honestly I don't mind the idea of Todd Nelson, but it's getting to the point where he as at the same level that Omark fans have Omark. Yes he is doing well at the AHL rank, but then again he's had some pretty damn good pieces to work with.
I just don't know that its such a sure thing that he has success at the NHL level.
I also wonder if Thompson has a bit of an effect. The guys down there seem to love him.
And Renney had less options?
Dubnyk and Khabi can both also be starters in the NHL.
Eager, Smyth, Jones, Horcoff, Hartikainen could have been above average bottom 6 players.
Renney had Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Gagner, Paajarvi, Omark and Hemsky as skilled forwards.
This team could beat any team on a given night. Had a great start to the season. A great coach would have been able to keep that going... is the Hitch signed past this season?
DD and Khabi are both starters in the NHL? Just because they can start a game doesn't make them starters.
Any given Oiler game this season has been like a box of smarties. You know there are 5-6 colors, but not sure which one Renny will pull out of the box. Line destroyer extrordinair.
Too bad we couldn't get a guy like Blysma (penguins coach). That guy is amazing. He knew and knows how to work with what he's got.
It's tough to find those guys. I posted a list in the PGT of the replacements during this year. 8 guys were fired, only 2 of those 8 made their teams better. Then you look at the guys that started this year and that are still there and about half seem to be working.
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