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Can see Dan Boyle being an attractive option for several teams. If the Sharks trade him this off-season they'll get good value for an aging player with a fairly similar guy on the roster already (Burns).
Doubt Marleau waives his NTC, but Thornton perhaps would if the postseason is a bomb/is missed.
Everytime anyone mentions SJ his eyes light up and he can't shut up about how much he loves living here so I doubt it.
Marleau's value is immeasurable really. I really doubt he'd ask for a trade or waive his clause so while some may give him up for less than others, it's probably not even quantifiable in any real way.
I love when leafs fans expect to throw their garbage in return for a top liner, 40+ goal scorer. And then when they're asked to give up their first or their top prospect "That's ridiculous".
I love when leafs fans expect to throw their garbage in return for a top liner, 40+ goal scorer. And then when they're asked to give up their first or their top prospect "That's ridiculous".
I would think that a Top-10 Pick in the draft , a PPG player this season in Lupul, a former 30 goal scorer in Kulemin, + one of the teams top prospects is a bit of a reach for a guy who most Sharks fans have said is available if the team misses the playoffs.
I love when leafs fans expect to throw their garbage in return for a top liner, 40+ goal scorer. And then when they're asked to give up their first or their top prospect "That's ridiculous".
Let's not stretch it. Marleau has scored 40 once in 14 seasons.
Lets say San Jose's front office "realizes" they need to rebuild. And lets say they want to do it right...back end first.
(If you're a SJ fan and you think everything's fine, that's ok, just ignore this thread and it will not bother you either, hehe)
For goaltender, they have some prospects plus top young goalie prospects (guys like Bernier, Rask, Schneider, but not necessarily those exact guys...just guys in that tier) just aren't that expensive. So I'll leave that alone.
Lets try a couple of proposals...remember these are just Value Ofs, so I'm not saying these deals are good as is, I'm looking for both San Jose and other teams' in these deals opinions.
To San Jose: 1st Rounder (3rd overall...another team wins the draft lottery, bumps Oilers down one)
To Edmonton: Patrick Marleau
Edmonton now has three finished lines with Gagner being 3rd line center, RNH as 1B with Marleau as 1A.
San Jose drafts BPA who's a defenseman, probably Ryan Murray.
To San Jose: 1st Rounder (1st overall...lets say CBJ keeps their pick)
To Columbus: Joe Thornton
CBJ finally gets the 1st line center they've always wanted to play with Nash. Nash=happy. Jumbo replaces Carter and Johansen can be the future 2nd line center. Plus CBJ still has a 1st rounder from LA (if LA makes the playoffs) for this year. And they still have Johnson so their team looks much better now.
San Jose can trade down for more assets and still pick up a top defenseman or draft Grigorenko to replace Thornton in the future. I would say trade down to 5th overall or so and get someone like Trouba or Dumba. Maybe do a 3-way deal where they trade down CBJ's pick and get an asset, then take that asset and trade up SJ's 1st rounder with another team.
San Jose can keep Couture to be their future #1A center. All of the other guys can go for spare parts like prospects or other picks in this years' draft. There are a lot of defensemen in the first round.
Both teams receiving a top player from San Jose, I think these teams are exactly the ones who really need a 1st line center in the worst way and neither is in the beginning of a rebuild like SJ would be.
Marleau's value is immeasurable really. I really doubt he'd ask for a trade or waive his clause so while some may give him up for less than others, it's probably not even quantifiable in any real way.
Pretty sure the Leafs' 1st and Colborne/Gardiner is more than enough.
I'd imagine Marleau is worth around Carter.
Flyers got a high first and Voracek. Cbus got a mid-late 1st and JJ.
I would think that a Top-10 Pick in the draft , a PPG player this season in Lupul, a former 30 goal scorer in Kulemin, + one of the teams top prospects is a bit of a reach for a guy who most Sharks fans have said is available if the team misses the playoffs.
Actually, no Sharks fans have said he's available. Only fans of other teams who assume that Marleau is the problem.
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Originally Posted by Analyzer
Pretty sure the Leafs' 1st and Colborne/Gardiner is more than enough.
I'd imagine Marleau is worth around Carter.
Flyers got a high first and Voracek. Cbus got a mid-late 1st and JJ.
Yeah, I'd say that Marleau is worth around Carter to CBJ (maybe a little more because he isn't signed until forever. So I'd seriously consider Gardiner and the Leafs' 1st for him.
And finally Marleau to Toronto is at least semi-plausible, now that Ron Wilson is out.
And as to that big proposal, I think Marleau would be a perfect fit on Edmonton. He'd be able to take hard matchups and win them, be a top-PKer, play wing or center, and support the 2nd PP after RNH/Hall/Eberle go out on the first unit. He'd actually be the best compliment to a guy like RNH for a 1A/1B situation.
I would think that a Top-10 Pick in the draft , a PPG player this season in Lupul, a former 30 goal scorer in Kulemin, + one of the teams top prospects is a bit of a reach for a guy who most Sharks fans have said is available if the team misses the playoffs.
I agree it is a reach for Marleau but nobody in their right mind believes that whether they make it or not that Marleau is available. That is just wishful thinking for those that have grown tired of him being inconsistent from game to game and not showing enough emotion for their liking.
Marleau is staying a Shark and there's really nothing that would suggest that he wouldn't.
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Originally Posted by Rorschach
Lets say San Jose's front office "realizes" they need to rebuild. And lets say they want to do it right...back end first.
(If you're a SJ fan and you think everything's fine, that's ok, just ignore this thread and it will not bother you either, hehe)
For goaltender, they have some prospects plus top young goalie prospects (guys like Bernier, Rask, Schneider, but not necessarily those exact guys...just guys in that tier) just aren't that expensive. So I'll leave that alone.
Lets try a couple of proposals...remember these are just Value Ofs, so I'm not saying these deals are good as is, I'm looking for both San Jose and other teams' in these deals opinions.
To San Jose: 1st Rounder (3rd overall...another team wins the draft lottery, bumps Oilers down one)
To Edmonton: Patrick Marleau
Edmonton now has three finished lines with Gagner being 3rd line center, RNH as 1B with Marleau as 1A.
San Jose drafts BPA who's a defenseman, probably Ryan Murray.
To San Jose: 1st Rounder (1st overall...lets say CBJ keeps their pick)
To Columbus: Joe Thornton
CBJ finally gets the 1st line center they've always wanted to play with Nash. Nash=happy. Jumbo replaces Carter and Johansen can be the future 2nd line center. Plus CBJ still has a 1st rounder from LA (if LA makes the playoffs) for this year. And they still have Johnson so their team looks much better now.
San Jose can trade down for more assets and still pick up a top defenseman or draft Grigorenko to replace Thornton in the future. I would say trade down to 5th overall or so and get someone like Trouba or Dumba. Maybe do a 3-way deal where they trade down CBJ's pick and get an asset, then take that asset and trade up SJ's 1st rounder with another team.
San Jose can keep Couture to be their future #1A center. All of the other guys can go for spare parts like prospects or other picks in this years' draft. There are a lot of defensemen in the first round.
Both teams receiving a top player from San Jose, I think these teams are exactly the ones who really need a 1st line center in the worst way and neither is in the beginning of a rebuild like SJ would be.
- R
You're assuming that Marleau would waive his clause for Edmonton and that Thornton would waive for Columbus. Neither of those things are likely even in a rebuild situation. If they waive their clauses, it will be for a team that is already a contender or at least a playoff team. That's what makes moving either of these two a difficult task whether they want to rebuild or not. Chances are, they move what they can and go from there. This team isn't on the outside looking in because of Thornton and Marleau as they have been two of their best players throughout the year.
In terms of value, they'd be fine and it's even a little bit questionable whether or not the other teams would even make such a move considering how far away they really are. Edmonton doesn't need a Marleau. Edmonton needs a Boyle. Columbus can definitely use Thornton but they need their goalie to step it up more than anything else.
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Originally Posted by Analyzer
Pretty sure the Leafs' 1st and Colborne/Gardiner is more than enough.
I'd imagine Marleau is worth around Carter.
Flyers got a high first and Voracek. Cbus got a mid-late 1st and JJ.
Marleau is a much better player than Carter while Carter does have age on his side. I actually doubt that Marleau would even get what Carter did because he is not on the open market in any way. His NMC, if he actually was willing to be dealt, would limit the suitors and thus limit his value. If we're talking open market, your proposal is not enough. The Leafs first is around 6th overall and Colborne/Gardiner aren't really what the Sharks are looking for. They don't need a d-man in Gardiner and they should be looking for players with more potential than Colborne if they're going to move one of their best players.
Lets say San Jose's front office "realizes" they need to rebuild. And lets say they want to do it right...back end first.
(If you're a SJ fan and you think everything's fine, that's ok, just ignore this thread and it will not bother you either, hehe)
For goaltender, they have some prospects plus top young goalie prospects (guys like Bernier, Rask, Schneider, but not necessarily those exact guys...just guys in that tier) just aren't that expensive. So I'll leave that alone.
Lets try a couple of proposals...remember these are just Value Ofs, so I'm not saying these deals are good as is, I'm looking for both San Jose and other teams' in these deals opinions.
To San Jose: 1st Rounder (3rd overall...another team wins the draft lottery, bumps Oilers down one)
To Edmonton: Patrick Marleau
Edmonton now has three finished lines with Gagner being 3rd line center, RNH as 1B with Marleau as 1A.
San Jose drafts BPA who's a defenseman, probably Ryan Murray.
To San Jose: 1st Rounder (1st overall...lets say CBJ keeps their pick)
To Columbus: Joe Thornton
CBJ finally gets the 1st line center they've always wanted to play with Nash. Nash=happy. Jumbo replaces Carter and Johansen can be the future 2nd line center. Plus CBJ still has a 1st rounder from LA (if LA makes the playoffs) for this year. And they still have Johnson so their team looks much better now.
San Jose can trade down for more assets and still pick up a top defenseman or draft Grigorenko to replace Thornton in the future. I would say trade down to 5th overall or so and get someone like Trouba or Dumba. Maybe do a 3-way deal where they trade down CBJ's pick and get an asset, then take that asset and trade up SJ's 1st rounder with another team.
San Jose can keep Couture to be their future #1A center. All of the other guys can go for spare parts like prospects or other picks in this years' draft. There are a lot of defensemen in the first round.
Both teams receiving a top player from San Jose, I think these teams are exactly the ones who really need a 1st line center in the worst way and neither is in the beginning of a rebuild like SJ would be.
- R
I dont wanna go anywhere near Yakupov, Grigorenko, Gally or any other "top 10 fwd pick" not named Gaunce.
If i want to deal either for top picks, im waiting until next year when i can get the fast, phyiscal Nathan MacKinnon.
The defenceman at the top are going to be great dmen, but the fwds are vastly overrated.
I dont wanna go anywhere near Yakupov, Grigorenko, Gally or any other "top 10 fwd pick" not named Gaunce.
If i want to deal either for top picks, im waiting until next year when i can get the fast, phyiscal Nathan MacKinnon.
The defenceman at the top are going to be great dmen, but the fwds are vastly overrated.
I'd go for a 3-way deal:
to PHX: Michael Grabner, Brock Nelson
to NYI: Brent Burns, PHX 2012 3rd
to SJS: David Rundblad, Isles 2013 1st
Can't really see Burns being one of the guys the Sharks deal if they do end up blowing the team up, but **** I would love him on the Isles...
Also, I can't see the Isles looking to deal their 1st this year since they will probably be looking to add a franchise d-man(they've stockpiled forwards with their top picks, and if Murray is there I can't see them pass on him). So, if MacKinnon is who you are interested in then the Isles 2013 1st could be a very valuable piece.
Can't really see Burns being one of the guys the Sharks deal if they do end up blowing the team up, but **** I would love him on the Isles...
Also, I can't see the Isles looking to deal their 1st this year since they will probably be looking to add a franchise d-man(they've stockpiled forwards with their top picks, and if Murray is there I can't see them pass on him). So, if MacKinnon is who you are interested in then the Isles 2013 1st could be a very valuable piece.
Hell no from SJ. Burns goes nowhere. Firstly, he signed a great contract extension before even playing a game with the Sharks. It would reflect very poorly on the org if they traded him to NYI a year later. And secondly, I doubt that the Isles would have the 1st overall in 2013 with another year of development for their young guys (Tavares, Hamonic, MacDonald, Okposo, etc.) and then adding Burns to that team.
Hell no from SJ. Burns goes nowhere. Firstly, he signed a great contract extension before even playing a game with the Sharks. It would reflect very poorly on the org if they traded him to NYI a year later. And secondly, I doubt that the Isles would have the 1st overall in 2013 with another year of development for their young guys (Tavares, Hamonic, MacDonald, Okposo, etc.) and then adding Burns to that team.
I doubt it either, but if they blow up the team they could have two top-5 picks. Always the possibility one of them wins the lottery.
Either way I agree, can't see Burns going anywhere, but he'd be the guy I'd want from an Isles perspective. Maybe take a shot at Boyle even though he's getting up there...
Their problems run deeper than just the goalie. He has been a problem but not the root of the issues. Their commitment to defense as a team is the real problem.
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The Caps could really use guys like Clowe and Murray.
What kind of package would it take to get either/both?
I would assume it's somewhere around a 2nd and a prospect for both. Clowe would get the better prospect or maybe a 1st at the very max.
