Maybe the team you fouled gets to choose when you serve them. Ie you foul a team X player, then team X might choose to have you suspeneded in games against them and let you play others. If we meet Chicago in the playoffs and they have Keith and we don't have Daniel I think using the Keith suspensions then would be nice.
Yes, the Keith suspension is fully in line with the current standards.
The Rome suspension being so far out of left field is what made it a joke. Previously the longest sentence ever in the Finals was for one game. Add to that the fact that Rome's infraction was only borderline illegal, and the punishment was unjustifiable. I think someone high up in the league (Gary?) freaked out when things were in front of a US national TV audience.
So this accomplishes nothing. Really should've just let him off then cause this just proves you can take out a star player and get a rest before the playoffs. The NHL dropped the ball immensley on this one.
I have no interest in the NHL from this point forward this season. I love my canucks but this has just destroyed any passion I had for this season.
But I am amused that the league asked for the personal appearance waiver...like maybe they were "considering" making it more than five games. Suuurrre.
Why is the line drawn when our player gets injured? These kind of hits happen all the time. Shane Doan (a player with supplemental discipline history) laid a similar elbow not long before this one and got 3 games.
I just don't get it. I agree with you about sending a message to deter these kinds of hits, but why were we all so certain that when it's a Canucks that falls victim to something like this THAT'S when it's going to happen? THAT'S when an example is going to be made?
Sure, I agree the NHL should hand out harsher suspensions for things like this, but they don't. In line with what they've been doing, 5 games is more than fair.
Shanahan should be fined for bringing the game into disrepute. He had the perfect opportunity to stamp out elbows to the head, there was no grey area.
Deliberate elbow for no other reason than an intent to injure, not attempt at a hockey play, and an injury outcome. If deliberately caving someones skull in only deserves 5 games then the league is in disrepute.
Tie Domi got the the rest of the year and the playoffs, even allowing for repeat offender status, under Shanahan rest of the reg season + playoffs has become 5 games and 0 playoffs. Farcical.
Shanahan should be fined for bringing the game into disrepute. He had the perfect opportunity to stamp out elbows to the head, there was no grey area.
Deliberate elbow for no other reason than an intent to injure, not attempt at a hockey play, and an injury outcome. If deliberately caving someones skull in only deserves 5 games then the league is in disrepute.
Tie Domi got the the rest of the year and the playoffs, even allowing for repeat offender status, under Shanahan rest of the reg season + playoffs has become 5 games and 0 playoffs. Farcical.
Blame the league. Shanahan was being tough in the pre-season up until the Wisniewski suspension. Then he was told to back off because teams thought he was too harsh. Teams want it both ways, they want their players protected, but they don't want their players penalized too harshly when they break the rules. Until they have the balls to allow strict punishments this will be the norm.
How can this be considered a fair suspension when Rome got 4 games in the SCF? Would say Keith's hit was worse and all he is missing are regular season games.
Rome basically got 10 "reg" games (kicked from 1 and suspended from 4) for a clean hockey play gone wrong. Keith deliberately drives his elbow into someones head for the sole purpose of injuring them and gets 5 regular season games. Joke league is a joke.
I want the league to a points grading systems for penalties. 5 -10 grades of Elbowing ranging from with descriptions attached to each, try and find the close match and dish out the punishment
Grade 1 : 1 game
Grade 2 : 2-3 games
Grade 3 : 4-5
Grade 4: 6-9
Grade 5 : 10-14
Grade 6 : etc
Repeat offenders get games ADDED to the above not games TAKEN OFF. A multiplier for seriousness of injuries if they want to do that.
The Canucks need to stop looking to the league/refs to protect them. We have guys on this team whose roles include looking after our star players. Their names are not Burrows or Bieksa and they are failing miserably at their job.
Rome basically got 10 "reg" games (kicked from 1 and suspended from 4) for a clean hockey play gone wrong. Keith deliberately drives his elbow into someones head for the sole purpose of injuring them and gets 5 regular season games. Joke league is a joke.
I want the league to a points grading systems for penalties. 5 -10 grades of Elbowing ranging from with descriptions attached to each, try and find the close match and dish out the punishment
Grade 1 : 1 game
Grade 2 : 2-3 games
Grade 3 : 4-5
Grade 4: 6-9
Grade 5 : 10-14
Grade 6 : etc
Repeat offenders get games ADDED to the above not games TAKEN OFF.
Agreed...
The ONLY way that NHL discipline will ever be respected is if they can make it as black and white and predictable as possible. With Campbell before him and now Shanahan (to a lesser degree) there is far too much grey within each suspension.
Shanahan, seemingly with his explanations, is beginning to create a framework for what 'could' be a standardized/graded system for supplementary discipline.
If this is what's to come then I applaud him... but as it stands I'm still more than skeptical about the methods and results.
As has been pointed out, the GMs and the owners came hard on the NHL for certain suspensions at the start of the year and that's why we almost immediately saw the reduction in severity of the punishments. As for Sutton and Carcillo, both have previous history and that was factored into their suspensions.
5 games is consistent with what Shanny has been doing for most of the year.
That is why I think they should do the points system I outlined above. Present that and they'd have to sign off on it because it's a reasonable thing once you realise punishments fit the crimes. The NHL has no scale of punishments they are just plucked from Shanahan arse and so GMs/teams get upset when their guys get suspended. You have a table and they signed off on it to start the season they can't complain at the end.
I would have liked 7 + 1 playoff game because that one playoff game would send a serious message. But as usual we'll just take the easy way out. Certainly an upgrade on that idiot Brian Burke giving Gary Suter 4 games for cross checking Kariya in the face and putting him out for an entire year.
But you'd think by now they would realize how severe these head injuries can be. Same suspension as Bourque and Backstrom is still out.
Should have been eight games but he was not a repeat offender and for some reason that means alot. In some borderline cases it should count for alot, but if you commit murder do they care if you got caught shoplifting before? If your first offense is indefensible who cares if you did it before.
But I am amused that the league asked for the personal appearance waiver...like maybe they were "considering" making it more than five games. Suuurrre.
It seems like a pure PR move to me.
Shanahan: We are going to give you 15 games, we want you to come in for a face to face. You had to jump to deliver the elbow, no way it was a hockey play.
Keith: No I've got washing to do, can't make it sorry
Shanahan: No problems we'll get you a waiver for the face to face
Keith: I ain't signing it *smug look*
Shanahan: But but but I can't give you 15 without an in person or waiver. I can only give you 5.
Keith: lol you my b***h.
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Shanahan presser: WE HAVE DECIDED IT WAS WORTH 5 GAMES, HOCKEY PLAY GONE WRONG
The more I look at the Shanahan video the more gutless and pathetic Shanahan looks. Keith never looked at the puck or cared about it, he even jumped and lifted his front leg to get his elbow high enough to get Sedins head. And Shanahan used the hockey play gone wrong excuse to lower it 5. Beyond incompetent and into corrupt.
The more I look at the Shanahan video the more gutless and pathetic Shanahan looks. Keith never looked at the puck or cared about it, he even jumped and lifted his front leg to get his elbow high enough to get Sedins head. And Shanahan used the hockey play gone wrong excuse to lower it 5. Beyond incompetent and into corrupt.
What a disgrace.
I found it telling he didn't use the word, "concussion"... It wasn't a "headshot" that caused a "concussion"... It was an "elbow" that caused an "injury"... Maybe symantics, but come one... Talk about putting lipstick on a pig...
For whatever reason, he was pretty careful not to call the play exactly what it was...
