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View Poll Results: Should the Wild re-sign Guillaume Latendresse?
Yes, they should qualify him as an RFA (~$2.5M) 63 63.00%
Yes, but only if they can negotiate him down to a lower salary as a UFA 28 28.00%
No, they should let him walk 9 9.00%
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03-22-2012, 10:00 AM
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For what, a 3rd or 4th rounder? No thanks. I'll take the chance at 30+ goals over another AHL grinder in four years.

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For what, a 3rd or 4th rounder? No thanks. I'll take the chance at 30+ goals over another AHL grinder in four years.
As has been established multiple times:

Gui's RFA rights are 'worth' 2nd + mid pick/prospect as a floor. Will a team offer that? To use NFL injury terms, that's somewhere between 'questionable' and 'probable.' I think the more limiting factor would be whether the Wild think that's enough.

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As has been established multiple times:

Gui's RFA rights are 'worth' 2nd + mid pick/prospect as a floor. Will a team offer that? To use NFL injury terms, that's somewhere between 'questionable' and 'probable.' I think the more limiting factor would be whether the Wild think that's enough.
I'd say doubtful.

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I say bring him back. 2.5M is not that much for a player with his skills. His concussion history worries me though, especially with Shanahan running things.

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I'd say doubtful. Plus, for what he is worth on the trade market I think there is a better chance of getting a solid player if he gets healthy again, rather than seeing if a mid-level prospect pans out after 3-4 years in the minors.

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I don't think a team is going to give up more than a 3rd for him, because they'd still have to pay $2.5m in salary.

A little game theory:

Trade Lats for a 3rd round pick. 3rd rounders have, what, a 15% shot of being serviceable NHL'ers? This is called the Risebrough "low risk, low reward" scenario.

Keep Lats and he doesn't play next year. $2.5M out of Leipold's pocket but doesn't affect the cap really. Are you worried about Leipold's bank account?

Keep Lats and he plays next year. He'll probably be the best goal scorer on the team outside of if the team picks up Parise. Do you think we could have used him this year? I do.

If you're Vancouver or Chicago, you trade him to free up cap space. We don't have that kind of talent. We are the kind of team that trades for players on the outside chance they can produce (see: Christensen, Erik).

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I don't think a team is going to give up more than a 3rd for him, because they'd still have to pay $2.5m in salary.

A little game theory:

Trade Lats for a 3rd round pick. 3rd rounders have, what, a 15% shot of being serviceable NHL'ers? This is called the Risebrough "low risk, low reward" scenario.

Keep Lats and he doesn't play next year. $2.5M out of Leipold's pocket but doesn't affect the cap really. Are you worried about Leipold's bank account?

Keep Lats and he plays next year. He'll probably be the best goal scorer on the team outside of if the team picks up Parise. Do you think we could have used him this year? I do.

If you're Vancouver or Chicago, you trade him to free up cap space. We don't have that kind of talent. We are the kind of team that trades for players on the outside chance they can produce (see: Christensen, Erik).
We're just wondering how it affects us signing Parise, Suter, and Semin.

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I don't think a team is going to give up more than a 3rd for him, because they'd still have to pay $2.5m in salary.

A little game theory:

Trade Lats for a 3rd round pick. 3rd rounders have, what, a 15% shot of being serviceable NHL'ers? This is called the Risebrough "low risk, low reward" scenario.

Keep Lats and he doesn't play next year. $2.5M out of Leipold's pocket but doesn't affect the cap really. Are you worried about Leipold's bank account?

Keep Lats and he plays next year. He'll probably be the best goal scorer on the team outside of if the team picks up Parise. Do you think we could have used him this year? I do.

If you're Vancouver or Chicago, you trade him to free up cap space. We don't have that kind of talent. We are the kind of team that trades for players on the outside chance they can produce (see: Christensen, Erik).
This is what I'm most interested in. To me, keeping him is 100% a hockey decision; cutting him loose would be a 100% financial decision. I'm supremely hoping for the former, and if the latter happens, I will start having serious doubts about the ownership.

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Any team that's ready to compete right now and has an open top 6 spot is potentially willing to take a chance on him. The market for free agents is incredibly weak, the current year's 2nd round isn't exactly heavy on forward prospects, and 2nd rounders at best are going to contribute to a team in 3 years generally. A team like LA (not sure if they have their pick still) would be more than happy to take a risk on Lats. The same goes for San Jose (who don't have their pick IIRC). Florida could be interested. Pittsburgh would probably be ecstatic to try add him (works great of cap room if he ends up injured again as well). The best market for him would probably be to qualify him and have him not sign the QO. That way the teams that swing and miss in free agency can spend that remaining cap on him.

I find it amusing how people can be so high on his value to the Wild, but then act like no one else would even want him.

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This is what I'm most interested in. To me, keeping him is 100% a hockey decision; cutting him loose would be a 100% financial decision. I'm supremely hoping for the former, and if the latter happens, I will start having serious doubts about the ownership.
That's pretty much where I'm at right now.

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So lets say we Qual Latin Dress give him a 3 year deal or something at 2.5 per. Next season comes along and he gets concussed again in November. Do you guys change your opinion and say its time for him to go?

Blackjack is the best odd's in the casino, but after losing two 2.5 million dollar bets you should really start to get gun shy about putting down more. Sure you have won in the past making those bets...but how much fire can you afford to play with?

The smart move is to trade him.

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We're just wondering how it affects us signing Parise, Suter, and Semin.
I see the but the fact is, it doesn't affect that. We have the contract spots. We have the cap space. Prior to Ruutu re-signing in Carolina, we showed we can fit Ruutu, Suter, and Parise onto the roster without moving anyone. That was with Zid's $4MM still on the books.

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Any team that's ready to compete right now and has an open top 6 spot is potentially willing to take a chance on him. The market for free agents is incredibly weak, the current year's 2nd round isn't exactly heavy on forward prospects, and 2nd rounders at best are going to contribute to a team in 3 years generally. A team like LA (not sure if they have their pick still) would be more than happy to take a risk on Lats. The same goes for San Jose (who don't have their pick IIRC). Florida could be interested. Pittsburgh would probably be ecstatic to try add him (works great of cap room if he ends up injured again as well). The best market for him would probably be to qualify him and have him not sign the QO. That way the teams that swing and miss in free agency can spend that remaining cap on him.

I find it amusing how people can be so high on his value to the Wild, but then act like no one else would even want him.
It's not that no team would want him, but his value to us is more than a team would offer (or we should accept, IMO). I'm sure there is a bunch of teams that would give us a 2nd + mid-prospect, but I'm quite certain I'd like us to reject those offers.

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So lets say we Qual Latin Dress give him a 3 year deal or something at 2.5 per. Next season comes along and he gets concussed again in November. Do you guys change your opinion and say its time for him to go?

Blackjack is the best odd's in the casino, but after losing two 2.5 million dollar bets you should really start to get gun shy about putting down more. Sure you have won in the past making those bets...but how much fire can you afford to play with?
Qualifying Lats gets us him for 1 year at $2.5MM. It's possible he doesn't sign the offer in hopes of getting longer term, but until that happens, I don't believe that will be the case because a 1 year deal takes him to UFA. I think it's unlikely the Wild offer him more than 1 year, and he has reason not to ask for more.

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It's not that no team would want him, but his value to us is more than a team would offer (or we should accept, IMO). I'm sure there is a bunch of teams that would give us a 2nd + mid-prospect, but I'm quite certain I'd like us to reject those offers.
As I had noted, the limiting factor on that end is that the Wild might not accept 2nd + mid-prospect. My concern is about the various people stating he's worth a 3rd or 4th round pick, then arguing against trading him for that.

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As I had noted, the limiting factor on that end is that the Wild might not accept 2nd + mid-prospect. My concern is about the various people stating he's worth a 3rd or 4th round pick, then arguing against trading him for that.
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As I had noted, the limiting factor on that end is that the Wild might not accept 2nd + mid-prospect. My concern is about the various people stating he's worth a 3rd or 4th round pick, then arguing against trading him for that.
Given the FA market out there and the amount of teams that need help in their top 6 atm you don't think he could fetch a first albeit a late one?

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He's played about 25 games the last two seasons combined. His value is not a 1st. Late 2nd, maybe, but I'd call it a stretch.

I just see no point in trading a goal scorer for a draft pick when we desperately need goal scorers. Especially since only 1 or 2 of our high end prospects will be here next year.

Sure, in a few years when guys like Zucker, Phillips, Coyle, and Larsson are suiting up, move Latendresse. But next year, it's going to be another parade of AHL'ers.

Also, weren't we just complaining about lack of depth due to injuries? Is Lats not better than Warren Peters and Jed Ortmeyer?

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He's played about 25 games the last two seasons combined. His value is not a 1st. Late 2nd, maybe, but I'd call it a stretch.

I just see no point in trading a goal scorer for a draft pick when we desperately need goal scorers. Especially since only 1 or 2 of our high end prospects will be here next year.

Sure, in a few years when guys like Zucker, Phillips, Coyle, and Larsson are suiting up, move Latendresse. But next year, it's going to be another parade of AHL'ers.

Also, weren't we just complaining about lack of depth due to injuries? Is Lats not better than Warren Peters and Jed Ortmeyer?
They are talking about having 6 of our forward prospects turning pro next year, maybe 1 or 2 make the NHL roster but depth should not really be as much of an issue next year.

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We have (theoretically):

Heatley - Koivu - Bouchard
Cullen - Granlund - Setoguchi
Clutterbuck - Brodziak - Powe

Personally I can't see why putting Latendresse on the second line to knock Cullen down to Powe's spot would be a bad thing at all.

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We have (theoretically):

Heatley - Koivu - Bouchard
Cullen - Granlund - Setoguchi
Clutterbuck - Brodziak - Powe

Personally I can't see why putting Latendresse on the second line to knock Cullen down to Powe's spot would be a bad thing at all.
Or put Christensen in Powe's spot .

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Christensen can't play D, he's top six or bust.

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Christensen can't play D, he's top six or bust.
He has been playing pretty good D as of late.

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As of late =/= career. Christensen barely sniffed the PK the last few years. We're talking about a checking line that's supposed to play against the top offensive lines, forecheck hard, grind, work, etc. None of that describes Christensen.

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As of late =/= career. Christensen barely sniffed the PK the last few years. We're talking about a checking line that's supposed to play against the top offensive lines, forecheck hard, grind, work, etc. None of that describes Christensen.
Did he sleep with your wife or kick your dog or something?

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