I'm assuming you are a Flyers fan, so you'll know the reference below.
Sestito (he of 14GP and 1 assist) blind sided Horton in the head and Horton (27+ games) has not played since due to a concussion. For a league that has made such a big issue of eliminating headshots and cutting down concussions, that is the best example of the lack of consistency I can see out there.
I believe Mr. Malkin has got a few passes as well...... and there are countless other examples out there.
I'm not sure what relevance the Sestito hit has with the Keith hit...
As for "blindside"-- well, the term was taken out of the rules this past off season. The Sestito hit was just an interference play. Reckless, yes. Contact with the head, yes. But under rule 48, it's easy to make a case that the head was not targeted despite being the principle point of contact.
Should also mention that in years past, Sedin would not have thrown this hit because it would have been damn well known he'd spark a bench clearing brawl. Which is also a deterrent to the whole sequence ever happening.
Can't be in the middle. If the league wants to manage dangerous play, then manage all of it. If they don't or can't, then get the Hell out of the way and let your Keiths do it. I'm fine with either. I'm not fine with neither.
To him, it wasn't borderline, he had contact in the head. And I'll say it again, with 5 Hawks out with concussions this year, he was probably angry about possibly being #6. I hope Sedin is ok, I don't want to see any player lose significant time due to injury, but if he didn't throw that borderline hit, Keith would've had nothing to be pissed off about, nor is it his history to throw questionable hits like that for no reason at all. That's all I'm saying, I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand.
It's difficult to understand because of the situation. It makes no sense. This *cannot* be Keith's reaction from a hit like Sedin's. It simply cannot, there is no excuse. You can't take a soft hit from a soft player with legal incidental head contact (because your head is hanging out in front of your body), and react like this.
That's why my only option here is to assume Keith just snapped and went for it, because *nothing* was done to precipitate that kind of response.
Also, the last part of your post is worrying.
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Nor is it his history to throw questionable hits like that for no reason at all
There is never a reason to throw that kind of hit. Ever.
I can't even approve of Bure's flying elbow as a hardcore life-time Canuck fan, and he was getting pummeled into oblivion that game with everything from crosschecks to repeated, blatant headshots.
Dr. Recchi was trolling Montreal fans and the 911 calls. Maybe it was classless.
Regardless, his comments were quite different than a player on a team that's embroiled in what is undoubtedly a multi-million dollar suit making pseudo "retribution" comments.
I can't speak for all Boston fans, but I'd be willing to bet a dollar or two that most think he's an idiot (like me).
Well put! Haha I think that came out differently than you intended.
If not for precedent set by suspensions on similar hits, I'd agree with you on 7 games - i.e. the rest of the regular season.
I think that this goes above and beyond, especially if there's any evidence of pre-meditation. Specifically, that was not a hockey play in any sense, the puck never even touched Sedin nor was their any chance it would. That makes it more egregious in and of itself, and coupled with Danny's injury I can't imagine him getting off without more than the others.
Yeah, no doubt. Especially since biting fingers and hair pulling and a knee placed in the groin area can also possibly end a players career just as easily, amirite? I mean like, come on here guys.
No one said they did. As a hockey fan I'd just like to see stuff I'd much rather expect in a girls soccer game out of the sport. Understandable?
This whole situation is hilarious because Daniel's hit wouldn't have brought a second glance if not for this elbow. It'd be just another borderline penalty call that occurs many times per game.
The other reason it didn't get a second look is because Keith took it and kept on going instead of flopping around like a fish out of water.
A full body hit with incidental head contact on a forecheck. The sort of hit you see regularly that is not penalized.
It sure seemed to be on the late side to me. I didn't see it when it occurred, but on the replay it looked like 2 min for interference. Not indefinately due to a head injury.
It's difficult to understand because of the situation. It makes no sense. This *cannot* be Keith's reaction from a hit like Sedin's. It simply cannot, there is no excuse. You can't take a soft hit from a soft player with legal incidental head contact (because your head is hanging out in front of your body), and react like this.
That's why my only option here is to assume Keith just snapped and went for it, because *nothing* was done to precipitate that kind of response.
Also, the last part of your post is worrying.
There is never a reason to throw that kind of hit. Ever.
I have never said I CONDONE the hit at all, I said I empathized with his situation, looking out for his own personal safety, getting back at someone he thought took liberties with him. It's real easy for you to say sitting back in your chair "oh I can't react to that because it might've been a clean hit, but it did catch me in the head". When you're down there on that ice, knowing what many of your teammates have gone through this year, against a team you hate and has been known to take cheap shots against your guys...you're not exactly thinking clearly....so I'll say it again....slowly....he should be suspended, he was wrong, and in my view, it will probably be from 3-6 games, but "throwing the book at him" is completely wrong for a multitude of reasons.
Your homerism knows no bounds. Color me impressed.
You really need to watch the NHL's video on full-body contact w/ the head. They have plenty of examples of hits like this that are deemed clean. (i don't like their rule. I think any head contact needs to be taken out of the game, but sedin definitely makes full-body contact with keith.) If anything, I thought it was a tiny bit late, but there are a hell of a lot of hits in that situation that are a tiny bit late and nothing comes of it.
To him, it wasn't borderline, he had contact in the head. And I'll say it again, with 5 Hawks out with concussions this year, he was probably angry about possibly being #6. I hope Sedin is ok, I don't want to see any player lose significant time due to injury, but if he didn't throw that borderline hit, Keith would've had nothing to be pissed off about, nor is it his history to throw questionable hits like that for no reason at all. That's all I'm saying, I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand.
He was angry about possibly getting a concussion, so he decides to go out and elbow someone in the head?
I assumed it was "A Modest Proposal"-ish. Then I checked the posting history - it appears the poster is dead serious.
I can play that game too. You're a Canucks fan so you are biased in this matter and therefore will disagree with me no matter what.
The Canucks have no shortage of goon plays with intent to injure, allowed by the coaching staff apparently. It's part of the reason why they are the most hated team in recent history.
It's not unfair to assume this was another attempt to injure by an average player. Which had no reasoning behind it unlike Keith's "hit".
Your homerism knows no bounds. Color me impressed.
Nope based upon many years of experience (played junior, CIAU, coached junior, refereed, player agent (did disciplinary hearings), etc.
Also Shanahan's prior explanations of a full body hit with incidental head contact and the NHL explanatory DVD on what constitutes and illegal hit to the head.
I have never said I CONDONE the hit at all, I said I empathized with his situation, looking out for his own personal safety, getting back at someone he thought took liberties with him. It's real easy for you to say sitting back in your chair "oh I can't react to that because it might've been a clean hit, but it did catch me in the head". When you're down there on that ice, knowing what many of your teammates have gone through this year, against a team you hate and has been known to take cheap shots against your guys...you're not exactly thinking clearly....so I'll say it again....slowly....he should be suspended, he was wrong, and in my view, it will probably be from 3-6 games, but "throwing the book at him" is completely wrong for a multitude of reasons.
Ok, I'm glad we agree. It was an extreme overreaction, a result Daniel Sedin could not and should not have expected.
I could care less about suspension length as long as Sedin is ok.
Dr. Recchi was trolling Montreal fans and the 911 calls. Maybe it was classless.
Regardless, his comments were quite different than a player on a team that's embroiled in what is undoubtedly a multi-million dollar suit making pseudo "retribution" comments.
I can't speak for all Boston fans, but I'd be willing to bet a dollar or two that most think he's an idiot (like me).
I similarly think Bieksa is trolling whoever will listen, nothing more, nothing less. He likes to play mind games, especially in the media.
Should also mention that in years past, Sedin would not have thrown this hit because it would have been damn well known he'd spark a bench clearing brawl. Which is also a deterrent to the whole sequence ever happening.
Can't be in the middle. If the league wants to manage dangerous play, then manage all of it. If they don't or can't, then get the Hell out of the way and let your Keiths do it. I'm fine with either. I'm not fine with neither.
You have got to be kidding.
The histrionics around Daniel Sedin's hit have reached absurd levels. A routine hard full-body forecheck is now being talked about like it's Kasparitis or Stevens leveling Lindros with a huge headshot or something.
I'm really surprised at the rationale so many are using to justify why Keith made that hit.
A serious question for those of you... if Keith was so angry at the hit why didn't he go after Sedin right then and there? He wasn't knocked over. He didn't fall down. He wasn't hurt.
Instead he waited six minutes of actual ice time, so closer to fifteen in reality until Danny wasn't looking. I think it's more likely a teammate like Bolland was giving him a hard time on the bench about taking a hard hit from " one of the sisters".
That is what you call a ***** move. It's right up there with your girlfriend being pissed because you drunkenly flirted with another girl, so she waits a year and bangs your dad/best friend/brother as retaliation.
The attempts from people on this board to justify Keith's overblown response are just as ludicrous as my example.
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