Ladd overrated? If you're a Jets fan asking this on the Jets board then you haven't been around this board much. Ladd has been the most criticized Jet all season.
It is hard for the "average fan" to truly appreciate what a guy like Ladd does for your team.
I am not going to bother with the fact he has 2 Stanley cup rings with 2 different teams.
The guy does the little things game in and game out that go unnoticed by everyone.
Everyone loves Wheeler(Hey I love the guy too) but who is the guy that tipped the puck to him out of the zone and took a hit to do it? Ladd.
Who is the guy in front of the net getting pounded on while Buff takes a 100 mph slapshot? Ladd.
Who is the guy first in the offensive zone hitting opposing D men? Ladd.
Who is the guy first back into the defensive zone supporting his D men? Ladd.
The guy gets dumped on and all he does is work his ass off non stop all game. This team has taken his identity and they come to the games short on talent but always willing to work hard.
Just because you don't skate the fastest or look the prettiest out on the ice doesn't mean you are not factoring in.
It is hard for the "average fan" to truly appreciate what a guy like Ladd does for your team.
I am not going to bother with the fact he has 2 Stanley cup rings with 2 different teams.
The guy does the little things game in and game out that go unnoticed by everyone.
Everyone loves Wheeler(Hey I love the guy too) but who is the guy that tipped the puck to him out of the zone and took a hit to do it? Ladd.
Who is the guy in front of the net getting pounded on while Buff takes a 100 mph slapshot? Ladd.
Who is the guy first in the offensive zone hitting opposing D men? Ladd.
Who is the guy first back into the defensive zone supporting his D men? Ladd.
The guy gets dumped on and all he does is work his ass off non stop all game. This team has taken his identity and they come to the games short on talent but always willing to work hard.
Just because you don't skate the fastest or look the prettiest out on the ice doesn't mean you are not factoring in.
It is hard for the "average fan" to truly appreciate what a guy like Ladd does for your team.
I am not going to bother with the fact he has 2 Stanley cup rings with 2 different teams.
The guy does the little things game in and game out that go unnoticed by everyone.
Everyone loves Wheeler(Hey I love the guy too) but who is the guy that tipped the puck to him out of the zone and took a hit to do it? Ladd.
Who is the guy in front of the net getting pounded on while Buff takes a 100 mph slapshot? Ladd.
Who is the guy first in the offensive zone hitting opposing D men? Ladd.
Who is the guy first back into the defensive zone supporting his D men? Ladd.
The guy gets dumped on and all he does is work his ass off non stop all game. This team has taken his identity and they come to the games short on talent but always willing to work hard.
Just because you don't skate the fastest or look the prettiest out on the ice doesn't mean you are not factoring in.
Wooo someone gets it.... Ladd is our own version of Dustin Brown, and when it was rumored he was available every team in the league was going after him because he was a darn good player. Ladd is a darn good player too.
Edit: Wow I just looked at their advanced numbers over the last 2 years and they are actually insanely similar players. Its amazing how the perception can change based on something that is almost entirely out of the players control, that being ON ICE SV% Ladd has a 902/904 Brown 926/927 other than that they are as identical as 2 players get.
Who is the guy most likely to commit a neutral zone turnover? Ladd
Who is most likely to not clear the zone resulting in a goal? Ladd
Who has the hardest time accepting passes of all our forwards? Ladd
Ok, I'm being harsh, but I bought a Ladd Jersey as soon as they came out and have since gotten rid of it for a Bogosian jersey. First time in my life I've sold a jersey, so in my opinion, I felt he was overrated at the start of the year. I wasn't very familiar with him when the team moved and I was expecting more of a skilled player then a grinder.
In his mild defense though, I agree with his leadership skills being an asset to the team. I just wish he had signed for 3 mil per year....
Who is the guy most likely to commit a neutral zone turnover? Ladd
Who is most likely to not clear the zone resulting in a goal? Ladd
Who has the hardest time accepting passes of all our forwards? Ladd
Ok, I'm being harsh, but I bought a Ladd Jersey as soon as they came out and have since gotten rid of it for a Bogosian jersey. First time in my life I've sold a jersey, so in my opinion, I felt he was overrated at the start of the year. I wasn't very familiar with him when the team moved and I was expecting more of a skilled player then a grinder.
In his mild defense though, I agree with his leadership skills being an asset to the team. I just wish he had signed for 3 mil per year....
A young, good leader-type, player with intangibles who just scored 58 points doesn't get 3 mil a year. His salary may look like an overpayment this year, but personally I would say that would be strictly from a stats perspective.
Those aforementioned leadership qualities/intangibles have to be worth something, maybe not the difference, but it certainly wasn't much of an overpayment, if at all.
Big deal. Sidney ****ing Crosby did it last night. This team would prolly not be where it is without Ladd. Since the All-Star break, the man has been ****ing dynamite.
The man is a ****ing worker. Yes he had a slow start to the season. Next season though, given that the team is more settled and know what to expect...I fully expect a career year for Andrew Ladd.
This entire team has somewhat struggled, including Zach Bogosian, but all have been stellar in their own right.
Who is the guy most likely to commit a neutral zone turnover? Ladd
Who is most likely to not clear the zone resulting in a goal? Ladd
Who has the hardest time accepting passes of all our forwards? Ladd.
Don't forget the ill timed 3rd period penalties...
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The guy does the little things game in and game out that go unnoticed by everyone.
Everyone loves Wheeler(Hey I love the guy too) but who is the guy that tipped the puck to him out of the zone and took a hit to do it? Ladd.
Who is the guy in front of the net getting pounded on while Buff takes a 100 mph slapshot? Ladd.
Who is the guy first in the offensive zone hitting opposing D men? Ladd.
Who is the guy first back into the defensive zone supporting his D men? Ladd.
The guy gets dumped on and all he does is work his ass off non stop all game.
I'd love this guy. Where's he been the past week? It sure would be nice if he could work hard and smart consistently and do something to get other players going. I want to see a captain that sparks the team by a timely goal or hit or defensive play.
It is hard for the "average fan" to truly appreciate what a guy like Ladd does for your team.
I am not going to bother with the fact he has 2 Stanley cup rings with 2 different teams.
The guy does the little things game in and game out that go unnoticed by everyone.
Everyone loves Wheeler(Hey I love the guy too) but who is the guy that tipped the puck to him out of the zone and took a hit to do it? Ladd.
Who is the guy in front of the net getting pounded on while Buff takes a 100 mph slapshot? Ladd.
Who is the guy first in the offensive zone hitting opposing D men? Ladd.
Who is the guy first back into the defensive zone supporting his D men? Ladd.
The guy gets dumped on and all he does is work his ass off non stop all game. This team has taken his identity and they come to the games short on talent but always willing to work hard.
Just because you don't skate the fastest or look the prettiest out on the ice doesn't mean you are not factoring in.
Well said, I can't take anything away from or add to this post. You sir, hit the nail on the head.
Wooo someone gets it.... Ladd is our own version of Dustin Brown, and when it was rumored he was available every team in the league was going after him because he was a darn good player. Ladd is a darn good player too.
Edit: Wow I just looked at their advanced numbers over the last 2 years and they are actually insanely similar players. Its amazing how the perception can change based on something that is almost entirely out of the players control, that being ON ICE SV% Ladd has a 902/904 Brown 926/927 other than that they are as identical as 2 players get.
My two latest jersey purchases...Andrew Ladd and Dustin Brown
They are not exactly identical players (Brown is more physical and faster, but Ladd has a better shot), but close enough. People for some reason think that they are 3rd liners simply because they play physical, but then get frustrated when they are not dangling the whole team and scoring goals Ladd is the perfect second line LW, brings a helluva lot of what you need to the table. Andrew Ladd is 25th in the league in even strength goals. Wanna take a look at some names that are behind him? How about Rick Nash, Henrik Zetterberg, Marian Hossa, Patrick Kane, Vincent Lecavalier, etc. I am not sure what people were expecting, he brings grit, goalscoring, net presence, win board battles, leadership, solid defensive game. He is not, never claimed to be, an elite winger. He is a very very solid player, who I hope is in Winnipeg for the rest of his career.
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My two latest jersey purchases...Andrew Ladd and Dustin Brown
They are not exactly identical players (Brown is more physical and faster, but Ladd has a better shot), but close enough. People for some reason think that they are 3rd liners simply because they play physical, but then get frustrated when they are not dangling the whole team and scoring goals Ladd is the perfect second line LW, brings a helluva lot of what you need to the table. Andrew Ladd is 25th in the league in even strength goals. Wanna take a look at some names that are behind him? How about Rick Nash, Henrik Zetterberg, Marian Hossa, Patrick Kane, Vincent Lecavalier, etc. I am not sure what people were expecting, he brings grit, goalscoring, net presence, win board battles, leadership, solid defensive game. He is not, never claimed to be, an elite winger. He is a very very solid player, who I hope is in Winnipeg for the rest of his career.
hallelujah! praise the lord!
the truth has been spoken.
I get so frustrated with the "he doesn't dangle and have 70+ points omg must be third liner" trains of thought that we get on here that I sometimes lose faith in humanity itself.
Don't forget the ill timed 3rd period penalties...
I heard the other day that Blake Wheeler now has one less O Zone penalties than Ladd does.
I hate those penalties as well but they happen, especially with the way Ladd plays.
I'd love this guy. Where's he been the past week? It sure would be nice if he could work hard and smart consistently and do something to get other players going. I want to see a captain that sparks the team by a timely goal or hit or defensive play.
for the last week he has been doing exactly what was mentioned. Ladd doesn't do the flashy plays like Wheeler does and Kane tries to. He makes the pass to Wheeler so that Wheeler can do highlight reel stuff.
Fun fact Blake Wheeler has more offensive zone penalties than Ladd, Ladd also has the best takeaway/give away ratio of anyone on the LLW line..... All about how you look at it.
My issue and criticisms of Ladd this season IMHO are valid and not borne of wishing he was a 100 point dangler.
If Ladd would manage the puck better and not take stupid penalties (things that he has been much better at post ASG) I would be far less likely to criticize him. Unfortunately due to the 'C' and the contract he is held to a higher standard. He accepted both of those so he needs to be held to that standard.
The third thing that is out of his control is I don't think he is a first liner. He should be 2nd or 3rd line, I believe that is where you see the best of Andrew Ladd.
he's not overrated. we are what we are. He's our best captain candidate cause it's all we have. He's not an 82 point scorer but he's def worth his salary given his experience and skill.
he's not overrated. we are what we are. He's our best captain candidate cause it's all we have. He's not an 82 point scorer but he's def worth his salary given his experience and skill.
Truth of the matter is that every Jet player has been far too inconsistent this season. The talent is there, without doubt. If the Jets can become more consistent then we are a playoff team. Sounds simple but its really what we are missing. We are are a young, talented team that is on the verge of breaking through. Ladd will more than likely be a 2nd liner with Kane on the top line next season. Just a hunch I got. Also, it would be nice to see Chevy go out and get a top line centre in the off season. This is a huge hole that needs to be filled IMO. Wishful thinking on my part!
Off topic but this is what I could see our forward depth chart looking like next season, assuming we sign the FA's. The ??? would be a signing in the off season.
Kane ??? Wheeler
Ladd Little Wellwood
Stapes Burmi Machacek
Glass Slater Thorburn
Truth of the matter is that every Jet player has been far too inconsistent this season. The talent is there, without doubt. If the Jets can become more consistent then we are a playoff team. Sounds simple but its really what we are missing. We are are a young, talented team that is on the verge of breaking through. Ladd will more than likely be a 2nd liner with Kane on the top line next season. Just a hunch I got. Also, it would be nice to see Chevy go out and get a top line centre in the off season. This is a huge hole that needs to be filled IMO. Wishful thinking on my part!
Off topic but this is what I could see our forward depth chart looking like next season, assuming we sign the FA's. The ??? would be a signing in the off season.
Kane ??? Wheeler
Ladd Little Wellwood
Stapes Burmi Machacek
Glass Slater Thorburn
??? = Scheifele (someday, I hope). For now though, I don't think UFA is going to be where they fill that void, it's really a bare crop this year. That's part of the reason why I've advocated trading Enstrom, I really think that's the best chance of prying a #1C away.
Completely agree with the first part of your post. Alot of progress will be made just through maturation of the younger guys, and more consistency from the veterans. Hopefully Ladd can lead the charge, and bring a bit more consistency himself.
Fun fact Blake Wheeler has more offensive zone penalties than Ladd, Ladd also has the best takeaway/give away ratio of anyone on the LLW line..... All about how you look at it.
I'll link the the Illegal Curve analysis of 'Andrew Ladd: Perception or Reality', in case anyone missed it. Worth a read for anyone interested in this thread.
It is hard for the "average fan" to truly appreciate what a guy like Ladd does for your team.
I am not going to bother with the fact he has 2 Stanley cup rings with 2 different teams.
The guy does the little things game in and game out that go unnoticed by everyone.
Everyone loves Wheeler(Hey I love the guy too) but who is the guy that tipped the puck to him out of the zone and took a hit to do it? Ladd.
Who is the guy in front of the net getting pounded on while Buff takes a 100 mph slapshot? Ladd.
Who is the guy first in the offensive zone hitting opposing D men? Ladd.
Who is the guy first back into the defensive zone supporting his D men? Ladd.
The guy gets dumped on and all he does is work his ass off non stop all game. This team has taken his identity and they come to the games short on talent but always willing to work hard.
Just because you don't skate the fastest or look the prettiest out on the ice doesn't mean you are not factoring in.
Having 2 stanley cups is meaningless without context. It doesn't make you more skilled. Ladd was a 3rd and 4th liner on those cup teams.
There is nothing wrong with Ladd, he's just not top 3. He's good down low had a good shot, works hard. His transition game is worse than Tanner Glass'.
If you're a Jets fan asking this on the Jets board then you haven't been around this board much. Ladd has been the most criticized Jet all season.
It sure would be nice if he could work hard and smart consistently and do something to get other players going. I want to see a captain that sparks the team by a timely goal or hit or defensive play.
Ladd is the perfect second line LW, brings a helluva lot of what you need to the table. Andrew Ladd is 25th in the league in even strength goals. Wanna take a look at some names that are behind him? How about Rick Nash, Henrik Zetterberg, Marian Hossa, Patrick Kane, Vincent Lecavalier, etc. I am not sure what people were expecting, he brings grit, goalscoring, net presence, win board battles, leadership, solid defensive game. He is not, never claimed to be, an elite winger. He is a very very solid player, who I hope is in Winnipeg for the rest of his career.
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