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03-22-2012, 08:02 PM
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Rebuilding Luke Schenn

This is a good piece actually, here it is:

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Schenn won’t say this because he’s too polite but there came a point in the relationship with Wilson where coach no longer trusted player and player no longer trusted or believed in the coach.

“I don’t want to get too involved or throw anyone under the bus,” said Schenn in a lengthy interview Thursday. “But, um, at times, there’s not always communication and when there was communications, maybe (the wrong kind)...
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But so far, Carlyle and Schenn appear to be on the same page. Schenn appreciates the direct instruction from Carlyle and staff. They have asked him to rebuild his game in several areas. Between now, the end of this season and the beginning of next year, assuming he isn’t dealt elsewhere in the summer, Schenn will have to make the steps his coach is asking for.

Carlyle wants his practice habits to improve. He wants more intensity from Schenn. He wants him to have a “snarly attitude.”

“He has to have physical presence on the ice,” said Carlyle. “He has to be a defenceman who is going to be physical first, take the body, be hard to play against, more of an agitator.“
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/22...ng-luke-schenn

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We can rebuild him. We have the technology.


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Carlyle is exactly what Schenn needs. He's missed crucial years in development by staying under Wilson for so long getting the wrong attitude.

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It's too late guys - he's already 22. Should have tried when he was younger.


edit: strong sarcasm implied.


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It's too late guys - he's already 22. Should have tried when he was younger.
??? sarcasm?

he's 22 ... not 32 ...

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No coach in the world can help Schenn if he doesn't focus on his skating and get quicker in the off-season.

Schenn's awful play should shine light on the Leafs training staff. How is it that Schenn was faster and quicker as a rookie than in his 4th season? Why is it that each season Schenn seems to get bigger and stronger yet slower and less agile?

It seems indicative of a training staff that has not adjusted to the post-lockout NHL for the past 8 years.

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03-22-2012, 08:19 PM
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No coach in the world can help Schenn if he doesn't focus on his skating and get quicker in the off-season.

Schenn's awful play should shine light on the Leafs training staff. How is it that Schenn was faster and quicker as a rookie than in his 4th season? Why is it that each season Schenn seems to get bigger and stronger yet slower and less agile?

It seems indicative of a training staff that has not adjusted to the post-lockout NHL for the past 8 years.
What? His footspeed barely gets exposed under Carlyle. He's rarely out of position. I agree he obviously needs to improve it... but it's not the issue right now IMO.

He sucks at clearing the puck and making a first pass. Just looks like his hands turn to stone when he has to do either.

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It's too late guys - he's already 22. Should have tried when he was younger.


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Schenn's awful play should shine light on the Leafs training staff. How is it that Schenn was faster and quicker as a rookie than in his 4th season? Why is it that each season Schenn seems to get bigger and stronger yet slower and less agile?

It seems indicative of a training staff that has not adjusted to the post-lockout NHL for the past 8 years.
Yeah.

I mean it's not like it was an instant process, it's been every year more and more. The only thing I can think, they honestly didn't/don't think his added weight has effected his skating, or even his skating is a problem. I really don't know.

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"Carlyle wants his practice habits to improve. He wants more intensity from Schenn."

Is it just me, or does Wilson not sound like the guy at fault here? It's hard to sympathize with a player who has lost the confidence of the old coach when he has poor practice and work habits, especially one with so many holes in his game...

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No coach in the world can help Schenn if he doesn't focus on his skating and get quicker in the off-season.

Schenn's awful play should shine light on the Leafs training staff. How is it that Schenn was faster and quicker as a rookie than in his 4th season? Why is it that each season Schenn seems to get bigger and stronger yet slower and less agile?

It seems indicative of a training staff that has not adjusted to the post-lockout NHL for the past 8 years.
There are plenty of players in the NHL that are slower than Schenn. The main thing for a d-man is positioning, having quick foot speed is a bonus.

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What? His footspeed barely gets exposed under Carlyle. He's rarely out of position. I agree he obviously needs to improve it... but it's not the issue right now IMO.

He sucks at clearing the puck and making a first pass. Just looks like his hands turn to stone when he has to do either.
I've seen forwards blow by him many times while Carlyle was coaching.

If you recall, Schenn first pass was one of the things he did remarkably well as a rookie, yet he looks worse than probably you or I. But you'd have to realize, that if Schenn was quicker, he'd have more time to make those passes and thus screw up far less.

Even when his defense partner passes it off the board to Schenn (a relatively regular type of a play), you'll notice Schenn has difficulty getting to the pass in time making him far more susceptible to giving up the puck to forecheckers.

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Schenn's awful play should shine light on the Leafs training staff. How is it that Schenn was faster and quicker as a rookie than in his 4th season? Why is it that each season Schenn seems to get bigger and stronger yet slower and less agile?

It seems indicative of a training staff that has not adjusted to the post-lockout NHL for the past 8 years.
Reading into the perceived rift between Schenn and Wilson, it could be that Schenn wasn't doing what was asked of him, and suffered as a result on the ice, resulting in decreased play and a crisis in confidence. That is to say Schenn's shortcomings are his own fault.

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What? His footspeed barely gets exposed under Carlyle. He's rarely out of position. I agree he obviously needs to improve it... but it's not the issue right now IMO.

He sucks at clearing the puck and making a first pass. Just looks like his hands turn to stone when he has to do either.
It's a funny situation because he used to be very cool with the puck and made a solid first pass when having Kaberle by his side. I think Kabby really took him under his wing and tought him some puck moving/handling tricks. The fact is he's now lost all confidence and looks scared to handle the puck. I think his confidence can be rebuilt, it may just take more time than Burke is willing to give him. I could see him flourish in a market/system like St. Louis or Nashville.

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But you'd have to realize, that if Schenn was quicker, he'd have more time to make those passes and thus screw up far less.
Important point. That along with confidence. When he was paired with Kabby, wow he had so much poise (learning from kabby AND confidence) but he was lighter on his skates who allowed him to be more agile with much better mobility.

Schenn's problems have been from Wilson's system (especially when he started adding the weight), skating/foot speed and confidence.

Huge summer for Schenn, but it's useless if nobody is still telling him to improve his skating/foot speed and lose weight.

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"Carlyle wants his practice habits to improve. He wants more intensity from Schenn."

Is it just me, or does Wilson not sound like the guy at fault here? It's hard to sympathize with a player who has lost the confidence of the old coach when he has poor practice and work habits, especially one with so many holes in his game...
Could those poor habits have stemmed from a coach not having anything constructive to say? I'd suggest it's a possibility.

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Besides that one awful blunder against Tampa, Schenn really has worked on patience with the puck and been giving some really nice and crispy first passes out of the zone. I think this fresh start is going to be just as good for him as it's going to be for the rest of the team next season.

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improving practice habits could be as simple as changing how or what he does... doesn't necessarily mean he has poor work ethic or is lazy.

needs to improve skating, speed and overall conditioning imho.

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We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

laughed so hard at this, but im hoping schenn can turn it around and be a dominant shut down Defenceman. loved this kid since 2008, hopefully he stays in a leafs uniform

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It's too late guys - he's already 22. Should have tried when he was younger.
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We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

I wasn't expecting "best post of the thread award" so soon into the thread

OT: First Simmons article that has actually been good, probably because there wasn't much BS, and more facts than usual.

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I really think Schenn can turn his game around with the right help. I hope we don't give up on him yet. He's one of the few that faces the media after every loss instead of running and hiding like most.

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"Carlyle wants his practice habits to improve. He wants more intensity from Schenn."

Is it just me, or does Wilson not sound like the guy at fault here? It's hard to sympathize with a player who has lost the confidence of the old coach when he has poor practice and work habits, especially one with so many holes in his game...
From what I read there, I don't think Schenn is lazy during practices, but he lacks that killer instinct, that tough as nails to play against personality that he was drafted for; I think he's just been too soft against his teammates in his practices which translates badly to his play in games. Where are those big hits this season, like the ones he's delivered on Malkin and Vermette? Since Wilson is a run-and-gun kind of coach, he might have neglected to address Schenn's lack of physical play (which is his real strength), and was more than happy to lower his minutes.

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Carlyle is exactly what Schenn needs. He's missed crucial years in development by staying under Wilson for so long getting the wrong attitude.
Agreed.

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