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03-24-2012, 09:52 PM
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Yes teams do stockpile picks, but those two would get us 4th rounders at best. There's a big difference between the top 3 picks and the rest. I'm not saying we couldn't move up but not by trading those players, at least not as key parts of a deal.
So you agree that a team can move up in the draft by means other than tanking. This is my point. The Leafs are the richest team in the league and can use this power by trading for picks giving back players and taking their bad contracts and burying them in the minors.

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03-24-2012, 09:55 PM
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While I'm all for the tank, Leafs really played this game well, I was quite impressed. The checking line was incredible tonight.

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03-24-2012, 09:56 PM
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like those teams are gonna miss out on a top 3 pick to get bums like armstrong, thats the type of moves that got the leafs into this mess
I believe the offer was Franson, our first, and multiple later picks.

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03-24-2012, 09:58 PM
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So you agree that a team can move up in the draft by means other than tanking. This is my point. The Leafs are the richest team in the league and can use this power by trading for picks giving back players and taking their bad contracts and burying them in the minors.
But wasn't it the year that Devereaux had his big night that the Leafs then had to trade up to move to the position they would have had if Maurice had just nailed the useless plug to the bench that night to get Schenn? Guys like Kadri and others who are the future of the team should be celebrated for doing well in these meaningless games not some plug the Leafs don't have any interest in re-signing.

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So you agree that a team can move up in the draft by means other than tanking. This is my point. The Leafs are the richest team in the league and can use this power by trading for picks giving back players and taking their bad contracts and burying them in the minors.
Well yeah give up Kessel and Gardiner and I'm sure someone would take it, but for this team to improve there isn't really much we can offer. If we finish in the spot we're in now even the 4th pick would be a dream. If we get say the 5th pick maybe something could happen but that would require losing (tanking).

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03-24-2012, 10:02 PM
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But wasn't it the year that Devereaux had his big night that the Leafs then had to trade up to move to the position they would have had if Maurice had just nailed the useless plug to the bench that night to get Schenn? Guys like Kadri and others who are the future of the team should be celebrated for doing well in these meaningless games not some plug the Leafs don't have any interest in re-signing.
No, that was the year we got Kadri instead of B. Schenn.

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03-24-2012, 10:06 PM
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No, that was the year we got Kadri instead of B. Schenn.
Yea that's it. I knew there was a Schenn involved. Still the point i'm making is that plug in one game cost the Leafs 2 spots in the draft. For what. I don't believe he ever played another NHL game did he?

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03-24-2012, 10:09 PM
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But wasn't it the year that Devereaux had his big night that the Leafs then had to trade up to move to the position they would have had if Maurice had just nailed the useless plug to the bench that night to get Schenn? Guys like Kadri and others who are the future of the team should be celebrated for doing well in these meaningless games not some plug the Leafs don't have any interest in re-signing.
Quick. What did we give to move up from 8th to 5th to get Schenn?

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03-24-2012, 10:12 PM
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Well yeah give up Kessel and Gardiner and I'm sure someone would take it, but for this team to improve there isn't really much we can offer. If we finish in the spot we're in now even the 4th pick would be a dream. If we get say the 5th pick maybe something could happen but that would require losing (tanking).
Who did we give to move from 8 to 5 to get Schenn. I know it wasn't a Kessel or a Gardiner... I think it was a second rounder.

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03-24-2012, 10:15 PM
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Who did we give to move from 8 to 5 to get Schenn. I know it wasn't a Kessel or a Gardiner... I think it was a second rounder.
I doubt it was a 2nd round pick to move up 2 spots to get Brayden Schenn in 2009. It really depends on the draft.

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03-24-2012, 10:16 PM
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Yea that's it. I knew there was a Schenn involved. Still the point i'm making is that plug in one game cost the Leafs 2 spots in the draft. For what. I don't believe he ever played another NHL game did he?
Last game in the NHL. Amazing how people talk about him and Gerber like they were ringers.

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03-24-2012, 10:17 PM
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I doubt it was a 2nd round pick to move up 2 spots to get Brayden Schenn in 2009. It really depends on the draft.
He was talking about Luke.

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So what is it? If you trade a top 10 pick its stupid, but if you plan to use it, it's worthless because it's not a top 5?

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03-24-2012, 10:18 PM
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Who did we give to move from 8 to 5 to get Schenn. I know it wasn't a Kessel or a Gardiner... I think it was a second rounder.
2nd and a 3rd when draft picks were thin on the ground with the Leafs organization. I'm sure the Islanders were happy to make the deal.

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03-24-2012, 10:20 PM
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Who did we give to move from 8 to 5 to get Schenn. I know it wasn't a Kessel or a Gardiner... I think it was a second rounder.
The Islanders wanted Bailey and knew he would be available later, so nabbing another couple of later picks was a good strategy.

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He was talking about Luke.
He was talking about moving up...

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Who did we give to move from 8 to 5 to get Schenn. I know it wasn't a Kessel or a Gardiner... I think it was a second rounder.


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"The New York Islanders' first-round pick went to the Toronto Maple Leafs as the result of a trade on June 20, 2008, that sent the 7th-overall pick and either the 60th-overall pick and a third-round pick in 2009 or the 68th-overall pick and a second-round pick in 2009 in exchange for this pick."

Looking at wikipedia, it looks like:

NYI took
#7 2008 Colin Wilson (traded to NSH)
#68 2008 Shawn Lalonde
# 37 2009 Mat Clark (traded)


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03-24-2012, 10:22 PM
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He was talking about moving up...
You brought Brayden into the conversation when he was talking about Luke.

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03-24-2012, 10:23 PM
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Who did we give to move from 8 to 5 to get Schenn. I know it wasn't a Kessel or a Gardiner... I think it was a second rounder.
it was 7th to 5th and was a 2nd + 3rd

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The Islanders wanted Bailey and knew he would be available later, so nabbing another couple of later picks was a good strategy.
Islanders made a big mistake there. Bailey isn't anything special.

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You brought Brayden into the conversation when he was talking about Luke.
I got the years confused so it's my fault.

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2nd and a 3rd when draft picks were thin on the ground with the Leafs organization. I'm sure the Islanders were happy to make the deal.
Who did they get? I mean Schenn and Bailey are veterans, surely the Islanders should be bragging these guys up by now. My point is that it is easier to move up than the drama-queens suggest.

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I got the years confused so it's my fault.
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Who did they get? I mean Schenn and Bailey are veterans, surely the Islanders should be bragging these guys up by now. My point is that it is easier to move up than the drama-queens suggest.
I don't know who they got. Perhaps they were dealt in another package?

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Who did we give to move from 8 to 5 to get Schenn. I know it wasn't a Kessel or a Gardiner... I think it was a second rounder.
A second rounder will not get us one of the top 3 picks. No one is going to give up Yakupov or Grigorenko unless there is significant return.

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