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# Eric Staal's impressive season

 03-25-2012, 02:34 PM #1 Hayley from paramore Registered User     Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 12,118 vCash: 500 Eric Staal's impressive season EDIT: This thread isn't intended to bash Claude Giroux, but to highlight Staal's greatness. I picked Giroux because he was leading the NHL in assists at the time I started writing the post. Eric Staal has 45 assists in 76 games. His assists are on goals by: Tlusty (6) Faulk (5) Brent (5) Skinner (5) Harrison (4) LaRose (3) Stewart (3) Jokinen (2) Dwyer (2) Samson (2) Allen (1) Poni (1) Dalpe (1) Sutter (1) McBain (1) Spacek (1) Joslin (1) Ruutu (1) To calculate the average goals scored by each individual player, we'd multiply each goal scorer's season total by the number of time Staal assisted on a goal by them (for example, Tlusty would count six different times as a 17 goal scorer, while Ruutu would count once as a 17 goal scorer, etc), then divide that number by Staal's assist total. We wind up with an average of 11.2 goals. Now, let's compare this to HF sensation and NHL assist leader Claude Giroux (note: Henrik Sedin passed Claude Giroux in assists while I was typing this post): Hartnell (21) Jagr (10) Simmonds (10) Read (4) Timonen (4) Van Riemsdyk (3) Meszaros (1) Gustafsson (1) Voracek (1) Couturier (1) Schenn (1) If we apply the same formula to Giroux's assists, we wind up with an average of 22.7 goals scored by those players. 11.2 average goals by Staal's teammates divided by 22.7 average goals by Giroux's teammates = .49 Staal has scored 76% as many assists as Giroux while playing with 49% of the talent. Adjusting Giroux's assist total to Staal's situation, Giroux would have 29 assists if he was on the Hurricanes, while Staal would have 91 assists if he were on the Flyers. Calculating the difference in the playmaking quality of their linemates would be too exhausting of a process, but let's assume that the playmaking talent disparity between their teammates is equal to the goalscoring disparity. We wind up with the following results: ADJUSTED POINT TOTALS Giroux - 13 goals, 29 assists, 42 points Staal - 46 goals, 91 assists, 137 points League scoring is currently at 5.44 goals per game. During Wayne Gretzky's 215 point season, league scoring was at 7.94 goals per game. If we were to adjust Staal's Giroux-adjusted point totals to that season, we'd wind up with Staal having 200 points. So, Staal is on pace to have one of the top five adjusted Claude Giroux-adjusted statistical seasons in history. Last edited by Hayley from paramore: 03-25-2012 at 05:51 PM.
 03-25-2012, 02:38 PM #2 Eternal Sunshine ☂     Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ottawa Country: Posts: 26,477 vCash: 500 wtf is this and how is it relevant?
 03-25-2012, 02:39 PM #3 Diamondillium DO YOU WANT ANTS!?     Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Edmonton, AB Country: Posts: 5,805 vCash: 50 Ummm..
 03-25-2012, 02:39 PM #4 oem1265 Registered User   Join Date: Jan 2009 Country: Posts: 486 vCash: 500 Staal is having a good season after a rocky start, not sure if this thread is being used to build up Staal or tear down Giroux though. I imagine most of H. Sedin's assists(who you mentioned earlier in the thread) come from a select few players, doesn't make him any less of a playmaker though.
03-25-2012, 02:40 PM
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 Originally Posted by Megan Foxs Thumbs wtf is this and how is it relevant?

 03-25-2012, 02:40 PM #6 TheJudge Registered User     Join Date: Mar 2007 Country: Posts: 808 vCash: 50 I laughed. Nice work
03-25-2012, 02:40 PM
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 Originally Posted by Megan Foxs Thumbs wtf is this and how is it relevant?
I have always thought Claude Giroux was overrated, this thread just proves it.

03-25-2012, 02:40 PM
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 Originally Posted by Megan Foxs Thumbs wtf is this and how is it relevant?
It's BCC logic.

Staal plays with linemates that can't be considered goal-scorers, therefore the assists on the goals that they DO score are weighted more heavily in Staal's favor.

Giroux plays with linemates that are considered goal-scorers, therefore the assists on the goals that Giroux's linemates score are weighted less.

At least, that's what I got out of it.

 03-25-2012, 02:42 PM #9 Killem Dafoe Global Moderator Hold my baby, man.     Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Land of Bad Drivers Country: Posts: 19,461 vCash: 123 dude...
 03-25-2012, 02:46 PM #10 GIN ANTONIC Registered User     Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto, ON Country: Posts: 11,060 vCash: 500 EDIT: I had to delete this post so I don't look like an idiot. Last edited by GIN ANTONIC: 01-01-2013 at 09:36 PM.
 03-25-2012, 02:47 PM #11 pahlsson Registered User   Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 9,526 vCash: 500 all i know is staal looked really ****** at the beginning of the year so the fact that he even has this many points is p impressive
03-25-2012, 02:49 PM
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 Originally Posted by GIN ANTONIC Staal's current linemates would also have more goals if Staal just flat out played better from the beginning of the year.
This

Although the op got me to

 03-25-2012, 02:50 PM #13 OilerTyler Fire MacT!     Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Edmonton Country: Posts: 13,225 vCash: 50 Giroux's linemates score more than Staal's because Giroux makes them better.
 03-25-2012, 02:50 PM #14 Roo Mad Bro U havin a giggle m8?     Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: PA Country: Posts: 9,659 vCash: 500 All I know is that Claude Giroux is better than Eric Staal.
 03-25-2012, 02:52 PM #15 Eamonn*   Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Vancouver, Canada Country: Posts: 2,395 vCash: 500 So because Staal and the Hurricanes sucked and Staal ended up playing all throughout the lineup, he is a better playmaker than Giroux? lol what a stupid thread.
 03-25-2012, 02:52 PM #16 Vagrant The Czech Condor     Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 21,622 vCash: 500 There are none hockey players better than Eric Staal in the new NHL environment. He is the alpha and omega of great hockey performance.
 03-25-2012, 02:52 PM #17 BringBackStevens Registered User     Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Philadelphia Country: Posts: 14,681 vCash: 500 Um, what? It seems you are assuming that an assist is entirely a byproduct of a goal being scored, or something? The methodology makes little sense
 03-25-2012, 02:53 PM #18 MasterofGrond No, I'm not serious.     Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Francisco, CA Country: Posts: 11,676 vCash: 500 This is the greatest analysis I've ever seen.
03-25-2012, 02:54 PM
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 Originally Posted by OilerTyler Giroux's linemates score more than Staal's because Giroux makes them better.
haha and Staal doesn't make his better? Giroux is a great player but if anyone thinks his linemates aren't vastly superior to Staal's then you're crazy

 03-25-2012, 02:55 PM #20 Pay Carl don't lose touch     Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Vermont Country: Posts: 10,638 vCash: 500 Yo Claude Giroux imma let you finish but Eric Staal had one of the best Claude Giroux-adjusted seasons of all time
03-25-2012, 03:00 PM
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 Originally Posted by OilerTyler Giroux's linemates score more than Staal's because Giroux makes them better.
Hahahahahaha! Oh, man.

 03-25-2012, 03:01 PM #22 Trance Kuja Global Moderator     Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Las Vegas, NV Country: Posts: 49,669 vCash: 500 Eric Staal is one of the best players in the league. If you only count the second half.
 03-25-2012, 03:02 PM #23 MLSE Registered User     Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Windsor, Ontario Country: Posts: 5,402 vCash: 500 Haha Awesome thread dude.
 03-25-2012, 03:04 PM #24 vwg*   Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Krasnoyarsk Country: Posts: 20,425 vCash: 500 Obviously the main board doesn't know BCC. I will have to admit it's hilarious people think he's serious, especially the defensive Flyers fans.
 03-25-2012, 03:04 PM #25 disgruntleddave Registered User     Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canada Country: Posts: 2,820 vCash: 1375 Okay. Now if you take Nino Niederreiter's 1 point in 50ish games, and multiply it by 64 because of the team normalization turd factor, he's actually got 64 points. What a remarkable season!

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